It has been sorted out. He was disconnected and folded the turn with two other players in the hand and another street left to play.

OP said it was his first day playing at the site, yet was able to determine this was some type of unique or non-standard DC.

Botonline isn't handling this different than other sites when it comes to disconnections. Go over to internet poker and read through each of the sites' dedicated threads and find how many times people have been disconnected with the nuts, on the river facing a raise, and get folded. Then they contact support and get jack ****, because it is spelled out that disconnections happen and they can't pay out pots that don't go to showdown.

We can't say for sure that they are "house bots", but it is extremely obvious that there is at least a complicit agreement not to investigate them.

Some of these bots have been around for years and years and have been reported dozens of times w/mountains of evidence against them making it obvious they are breaking the rules.

Now look at how they react in the case of teotecan. He was a a low stakes players who was winning cash rake races a couple weeks in a row by sometimes putting in as many as 20 hours a day and averaging about 13 hours of play each day for a month.

A couple players complained that it was several people sharing his account (w/no evidence mind you, besides looking at his total hours played) and BOOM, BetOnline acts very quickly and bans. Turns out it was just a fellow who really could use the money and he had plenty of evidence showing that it was him putting in those hours and even offered to play on webcam proving he was capable of that level of play.

I'm not sure if his account was ever re-instated and in any case, the damage had already been done for him as the account freezing had cost him several thousand (a large sum as he was playing a lot of .05/.10 NLHE). He was distraught that his insane work put in didn't yield the results he was promised, and if anyone could use the suicide hotline #, it's probably him.

So why pull the trigger on this guy and freeze/ban him w/only a few complaints and very little/no actual evidence while dozens of bot accounts are left alone for years despite hundreds of complaints and mountains of evidence?

I'm not saying their house bots specifically, but anyone who doesn't think BetOnline looks at the amount of rake these guys generate and purposely decide to let them keep operating is drinking the kool-aid.

They would do well to hire MCA as their PR guy, which is why they won't. In the past year they've made a mountain of mind boggling decisions which have severely harmed the playing experience there.

I was a .5/1 and 1/2 PLO reg for years and years there, but finally got fed up and May will be the first month in 5 years that I don't play a hand there.

BetOnlineMike is awful at this, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's related to one of the higher ups. I realize it's a tough gig b/c in a lot of cases he's just the messenger, and most of the news he's having to relay has been negative. He can't be blamed for that. But as the main face of the company to your largest client base, you have to be acutely aware of how your posts come off.

The recent "check your email, you've got a response that I encourage you to post here" was an especially laughable faux pas, as many pointed out here. It gave false hope to our hero in question and makes BetOnline look stupid for wanting to "promote" a hugely negative decision. A couple of his recent replies in the BetOnline sub-forums also come off poorly. "Unlucky!" will probably turn into a meme.

On top of all that, during the VIP points stealing scandal, he was flat out lying to players. He's quoted saying "A new VIP points system is definitely coming very soon" back in late 2019. Of course, nothing ever did.

MCA has an unhealthy obsession with all things BetOnline, monitors and replies to any and all BetOnline related queries 26/7, and is very aware of the image and tone of his posts, so would probably be the perfect man for a PR job.

Good stuff.

What was their previous max withdrawal?

Does anyone think it's a coincidence that I just received a call from BetOnline offering me a deposit bonus?

You know damn well, better than probably anybody else, how much of an outspoken critic I've been about the botting problems there over the last few years. Why the **** would they want to higher me for their PR work to continually talk about that? You also know that I've never disputed the possibility of the bots being allowed to be there by the network decision-makers. I've probably compiled and given them more evidence about the bots than everybody else has combined.

I've been nothing but nice to you in the past. I'm not sure why you're taking shots at me now since you've never brought up any of this in the past. If you had an issue with me then I would have appreciated you bringing that to my attention. We've spoken several times in the past on what I assumed were good terms and these opinions were never shared with me before. If you have issue with me in the future then feel free to let me know it, preferably privately so that we can discuss it like men.


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the max prior to these last few months was $25k via bank wire and $10k via most other methods.

Huh? How is my post being construed as shats fired?

I didn't say anything negative about you in my post, just that you love posting about BetOnline. I also said you'd be great at a PR job (a compliment). I'm beginning to think I may have been mistaken though haha.

Nothing negative? Compliment?

I'll lay it out to MCA in a way he can understand. Here are all the times I referenced him.

This is a compliment.

I'm saying you would do a good job as a PR guy.

This is a negative, but not really an attack on your character. Just pointing out that you're constantly commenting on nearly everything BOL related.

This is a compliment. It means you have good awareness of how your words are perceived.

This is a compliment.

I'm saying you would do a good job as a PR guy.

So the only slight negative I mentioned about you is that you post a ton about BetOnline. I'm sure even you wouldn't dispute that.

Other than that I was praising you, but now you've gone and made me look silly for my praise.

I apologize for insulting you by suggesting you'd be excellent as a PR guy.

Since a ton of people do not seem to know how a BBJ works, here is a breakdown. OP, had his hand not been folded, would have been part of the BBJ, getting 15% (since he would have won the hand). The BBJ was just over $349K at the time (lets call it $350K for cleaner math). ~Payouts:

KKKK Guy - $70,000
OP - $52,500
3 Others at table - $43,750 (~$14,500 each)
Other BBJ tables - $43,750 (unknown payout for each player)
Rollover - $122,500
Fee - $17,500

So ~$210K going to players and ~$140K going to the network/reseed

This issue appears to have happened on the 22nd May 2020 (according to the HH in one of OP’s videos). The BBJ was ~$350K at the time. BOL posted a video on their YT channel from a BBJ hand that apparently occurred on the 10th May (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK2mBv4Jh0s). This was $403K when it was hit, meaning that $141K went back into the BBJ to reseed the next one. $350K - $141K = $209K or about a $17K increase a day. This seems high, however does fall in line with the numbers since the mini boom started a couple of months back:



BetOnline post at least some of these BBJ hands on their YT channel. This is really sloppily done, with a ton of mistakes in them. Sometimes the numbers that they put in the opening part of the video match what the BBJ is at the time and on other videos it matches what the players themselves receive (no fee or rollover included). The amounts bet on the turn in the follow sequence actually shows what one of the players is getting due to the BBJ going off. No clue why this is happening (if they are rebuilding the hands afterwards and had this in by mistake or what went on)




Dates do not match either dates shown on the YT videos. Maybe a timezone thing for whoever is doing the site update vs whoever is doing the YT video:



“Winner” in this case is the person who received the bad beat, and who got paid the highest amount from the BBJ on that table

Here the amounts shown on the table that were won differ from the amount listed on the site



There is a mention, itt, of %s changing and so it looks like that the person who lost the hand got 17.5% back in July 2019.

There are also mistakes on other videos, such as

Which looks like numbers from a previous video or something. As stated before, its very sloppy

I have no clue on the solvency of the site/network. However, many sites who have crypto deposits/cashouts never actually hold any crypto themselves. A 3rd party does all the processing (instantly) for the site and so the site themselves would not be affected by the swings of bitcoin etc*. Again, no idea if this is what happens at Betonline, but its pretty standard in the industry

*Of course, the site might be affected if the payment processor goes bankrupt owing funds to the site

While I have no idea on how these skins/network deal with a BBJ payout, it would be normal for other networks to hold the BBJ (and other jackpots) funds. Each week/month/whatever the network would invoice each skin for the amount of contributions made to the BBJ by players on that skin. These funds would be sent from the skin to the network. Once a jackpot hits, the funds should be immediately available to the players to cashout. The network would then send each skin who was involved in that BBJ the $$$ their players won. The skin themselves would not really care that a BBJ hit, as the network should control the BBJ funds. In fact (imo), the skin should be delighted that one/many of their players just shipped a huge BBJ prize, as presumably the players could end up in the casino/sportsbook. The real only downside to a skin for a player winning a huge BBJ is that there might be short term liquidity issues if the player was to immediately try to cashout that full amount (while the skin waits for the network to make them whole)

If the network does work like this, then Betonline themselves would really have little incentive to ever try to manipulate the BBJ. And if they/network were to be able to manipulate such things, then there would an entirely much larger issue on hand – as there would need to be accounts/system (lets call them super users) who can not only see what the players are holding, but also what the full board would be at all stages of the hand. And note that this would need to be set up to alert whatever admin/employee on the network well BEFORE the hand even takes place, to get ready to disconnect a player in an upcoming hand

Obviously I am not sure of the ownership of these skins & network, but its possible that the same person/people own everything. If they were all owned by the same overall entity, then the rewards for nefarious actions would be higher

https://promotions.tigergaming.com/1...d-beat-jackpot
https://promotions.sportsbetting.ag/badbeatjackpot
https://promotions.betonline.ag/bad-beat-jackpot

The promo pages for the 3 sites are near identical. Especially with the table of the payouts. There doesn’t appear to be any sort of feed, but rather just a HTML table, which presumably means that each page needs to be manually updated each time more BBJ winners are added. This definitely seems to be a poor way of doing things. There should be a feed similar to the BBJ counter on the sites.

Hi Justscott,

The max withdrawal limit was $100k per day, with one of the best reputations for fastest payouts in the industry(most completed within the hour).

The current restrictions have been put in place due to Covid-19.
Many operators in the industry are putting in this type of restriction at the moment.

Mike

Compliment? Now it's like you're talking to me as if I'm a child.

Perhaps you just don't have a good read on how somebody else might perceive the way you write your words. If no disrespect was meant then I'm happy to have perceived it wrong just to get it clarified.

Let's move on with the thread.

pmarrsouth

Betonline and sportsbetting are 100% the same ownership. Up until yesterday, I played at both.

Not sure about tiger gaming.

Main competitor ACR currently has a max BTC withdrawal of 25k.

Even Bodog is 5k max every 5 days.

Mike, stating that others do it is not in itself an explanation of why that was done.

Frankly, it looks like you don't have the cash on hand to pay off all balances. Otherwise, there's simply no reason to do this.

Given that you're primarily a sportsbetting company and you also have a lot of capital tied up long term in paused futures, there's even less reason why you'd be unable to cash people out due to covid.

Regardless of whether or not other companies have also done this, is there any possible reason for reason for doing this other than not having the cash to pay everyone?

LOL, no one does this shady business. Allowing 100k to deposit but only 3k to withdraw.

What a fkn joke site. I hope Joey takes it down. Absolute disgrace.

I have also called out to everybody and we are withdrawing everything from this disgusting site immediately even it takes some weeks.

I hope they are not bankrupt as it does imply.

$100k a day was our max amount to WITHDRAW prior to Covid 19

Quit shilling for a crooked company.

I mean it's apparent BOL doesn't segregate player funds. Which while that isn't ideal idk I'm not sure it's a reason to forgo playing on a site (you just have to adjust your risk downward a bit with balances). There's not really any other reason to not pay ppl out what they want--if they had a pile of cash sitting around they would probably do it.

I actually recently got back on BOL for the first time in like 8 years (since that hacking accounts debacle where employees asked for PW as security Q) and I've been pleasantly surprised at how far they've come since then. Have liked everything about them so far.
Willing to give them some slack on this Covid withdrawal limit as long as they open it back up soon. I mean Covid is an outrageous thing to have happen, like what else could cancel sports?

But in general that is my biggest red flag for a site= Unlimited inlet pipe, and tiny outlet pipe and I will not play on sites that do this.

I am not sure if BetOnline Mike is really dumb or if he is just posting what he is told.

His posts are so bizarre.

Why should you lower withdrawal amount due to Covid? That is not connected in any way. You are supposed to have all the money from the players right now, right there, seperated from everything.

This smells like a second Full Tilt Poker

Mike, yes or no. Does BOL have the ability to pay out all player funds at this exact moment?

If they do, then why did they restrict withdrawals?

How could all sports being cancelled effect a sports book? Are you seriously this unimaginative?

They should of lowered the deposits to 3k for covid instead of withdrawal? Don’t people have less money now to spend and need more money for bills since like half the population isn’t even working. Sure seems not segregated like others of said.

On the positive joeys 50k views seems to have turned the heat up on bol, hoping they make it right.

Does any financial institution have the ability to pay out all its customers at this exact moment?