Why? One isn't really different than the other. And you can't enforce it anyway. How much of a HUD is okay? What if it tells you the same information a "dream machine" would without saying "bet 2/3rds pot 65% of the time" and gives you stats that show someone is likely weak on that type of board considering their range and bet sizes and your holdings? What if you import all your hands to a second computer and analyze that way and have it up but don't use it "in real time" with the specific hand?

It's how he plays. A program wouldn't need time to figure this **** out.

Thank you for joining the thread, Daniel.

I don't know why you are thinking every midstakes reg is supposed to have access to a gto software?! There is PokerJuice, OddsOracle, people know about it. Then there has been omaharanger around for 4+ years (?) but it wasn't really that publicly known. Maybe you can provide a link to such software you mentioned if you think everyone should have access to it?

You are saying poker is basically like day trading. Whoever has the fastest connection has the advantage of the second to place the order.

Also, how is such software not against the rules? It is clearly against the rules to use a real time software which provides you the solution in every single spot during the hand.

It's more like you playing against Federer without shoes.

jungleman, your post makes no sense. There's a few of developers making those programs for 50-400nl.

Find 10 guys to play under you on virtual machines that you own.
Take 30-50% for giving them 4-10bb/100 without using their head on 95% of hands and you have paid back your program in less than a month.

These "stables" already exist.

dafuq

currage itt

It made a hell lot of sense. What are you even talking about of players playing on virtual machines? What good should that be for? The rest is just as awkward.

Software evolves quite slow for a game with that much money around and there is a reason to it which is the complexity of it. The only game that has actually been solved so far is Heads Up LHE.
The effort they had to put into the gto bot is quite stunning for one of the simplest games + formats (for solving a game).
Games with variable bet sizings + multiway action are way harder to almost impossible to solve at least in this time and age. If Haxton had a PLO gto machine he'd be the king of the world ruling over everyone, I can't believe some people actually take the joke as real, PA must be one of them.

Uh oh so what, you actually have to pay attention to certain stats & ranges instead of shooting into the blue and hoping for the best?
I can't feel bad about complaining lazy people. The game is evolving with and w/o software but faster with and you CAN'T make it go away so deal with it and go with it or don't but stop blaming software for your laziness.

PA get the sand out of your vag ASAP.

Amazed at the ******ation displayed by a mod

these are your words, i have never once in my life defended bot use or "GTO dream machines"

relax and breathe a bit, it'll help you post better and hopefully keep you from looking ridiculous again. cool paragraphs bro

wouldnt mind one of these real time gto machines or these bots pokerstars does F ALL about pm me the details please.
easy game lol
or actually send me the developers details

LOL use omaha indicator Gus Hansen. A little too late

How much would it help if Pokerstars removed the real-time hand history saving, and went back to a manual email request?

They could even add a 24h or 7 day delay.

Seems like that might lower the power of HUDs etc, while still allowing personal records, studying opponents, helping catch bots.

I don't think this got enough attention.

I play a lot more live these days for many reasons but you may as well add to that list online poker is pretty much ****ed and done for. Bye bye

What insensitive does poker stars have to allow software to be used on their poker site in the first place?

If poker stars was to ban all software would the players using the software quit poker? or would it attract more player to poker?

I think this is the question poker stars should ask themselves.



Regarding posters confusing the two software talked about ITT, your standard software hm2 pt4 etc, vs real time programs that are telling players what the best play is for each street, are these programs using hm2 and pt4 to collect most of their info or would these programs do it just as easily without hm2 and pt4?

huds are why online players are complete fish at the live pokerz. cant let the computer do your thinking for u live. lol online players

it works both ways. players were clamoring to be allowed to play more tables and have more software.

which would great if you were the only one who could get those things.

I was suprised he said he doesnt feel he can beat online games anymore,,,,how do you guys think isildur would do if there is not software he claims he doesnt use software

Players can clamor all they want. If poker sites were dumb enough to conclude that poker pros have the best ideas for sustainable poker environment, they only have themselves to blame.

Software turns the average one or two tabling poker player into a eight tabling multi_donk_rake machine. The site has increased its rake times four or more from one player. Also it helps level the playing field for fish that use it. If everyone used software ,played the numbers game, played the same optimal strategy your all just passing around chips wich is in the sites best intrest.

It would not surprise me if poker sites had access to these software tools many years before they were released to the public.

due to where i live, i play online 95%+ of the time. when i do get a chance to play live, like in vegas or somewhere over an extended period of time, i've always done very very well.

i would love to play live, but F texas.

worst post itt. a lot of "online" players do well live. try to use ur brain before posting

this guy gets it, will be drowned out by hate by these delusional soon to unemployed fools called poker pros destroying the game

I don't play professionally but in terms of software use making it an unfair game I disagree... I think most 'professions' these days have been changed by software and technology in some capacity - Take Uber for example. If you don't keep up and adapt when others are using software to improve their profession then it's time to find something else. As for the recreational side, it's way more fun to go to the casino anyway!

Have a HUD. Am terrible. Can confirm it's irrelevance

It's becoming so ubiquitous, why not have a HUD and tracking software included with the client. Level the playing field.

Of course knowing what to do with the info is still important and some will use it better than others.

Well even in a live game, you can still use a paper and a pen to save VPIP/PFR. There's also phone apps for live tournament that everybody could use at the table.

Unfair would mean that only a certain amount of players are allowed to use it, and we know HUD's are not secret programs unknown from the players.