Thank you! People completely misunderstanding Patrik's point and also the definition of what "fair" is. Apparently "fair" also implies an entitlement to it too. Nothing in life is fair, and wouldn't even make sense if it was

Cringe.... Did you really just do the HU4ROLLZ thing there? Nice dodge there on all my questions.
Fwiw you probably could beat me HU because I dont play HU or cash. And please do ignore me.

All software should be banned so that games become more interesting and as close as possible to live. Otherwise, online poker will soon die. Live poker indeed is the future.
Poker is not a profession. A garbage collector deserves more respect then poker pro. Poker pro = lazy good for nothing slob. If you are good at poker, there is no shame, win as much money as you can, but there is absolutely zero dignity or respect or anything positive besides money to be proud about , if you think otherwise, well , you are just one very delusional individual.

and what if some players choose to ignore the ban and use software on fulltilt with you guys?

Thats when the poker sites need to step up their security. That old pro software excuse of 'without huds we cant protect against collusion/bots) well, THATS NOT THE JOB OF A PLAYER.
That should be the pokersites security teams job.

lol why do you hate-filled rejects even post here, so ridiculous

What brings you to this forum? You do understand that this a poker forum that you created an account and made a post on?

Why do you care about software being banned or about the future of poker?

How much are you down lifetime online?

Couldn't Patrik use software to track his own stats and just mix up his play from what software says?

Why in the actual **** would anyone work EXCEPT to make money?


I know I know... "I love my job..." and all that, but if you dont then most people ONLY work to make MONEY.

Poker is awesome, I can do whatever I want cuz my life is dope and I do dope ****.

i am not hate filled. I have no reason to be. I have a great job and i play online probably more then you do and higher stakes then you do, probably. Its the truth, poker is a game of skill, currage, patience, but it is not a profession, well not a profession that has any dignity associated with it. I am not a hater, have no reason to be, its my honest opinion. If you are successfull, it offers easy and free lifestyle, but has absolutely zero true personal qualities associated with it, thus should be treated as a hobby, that is if you have any respect for yourself, or don't treat it as hobby, but dont expect any respect from any real person, because there is no quality associated with good poker player to be respected, besides a good poker player.

I think I'd struggle mass multi-tabling without a HUD, yes. Live it is much easier to remember hands/reads on players as you have much more aesthetic triggers to remind yourself about (and the fact one plays far less hands live). Also for regs playing less strict to a GTO play style their win rates can be a lot worse without a HUD as reads on individuals are diminished.
To put it simply:
Online poker without tracking software is like everyone in love poker sitting with a bag over their head.
Fwiw I don't think PA was talking about HUD's, more the decision aiding software that is, allegedly, common in the HS games, but I'm basically replying to people who have put forward points against HUDs.

what

In your esteemed opinion, where do you rank day traders? What about psychics?

Why would such a successful person have poker as a hobby if that is his view on poker. A very odd post indeed.

To be fair, day traders are gamblers, not analysts.

Why would you work? well, not to go too far , how about having something to talk about when you go for a coffee with someone that happened in your life, whatever it may be, some meaningfull interaction, any kind of emotion. Playing online poker 40 hours a week is hardly something to remember , or charachter building, or has any positive affect besides money (?) on you as a person.

You do dope ****, ok lol, i guess you a are a Bilzerian fan too, how is your emotional life, building relationship with other people, family, etc. maybe these things don't matter to you, but this is something you will feel trully happy about, especially when you get older,not spending money on some stupid ****.

The truth is your posts are by far the most hate filled and toxic ITT and you're coming off like a miserable angry wretched little puke.

So you think the real time decisions support software is good for the game right? Whoever has the most money to make or buy it deserves it and if you don't then you deserve to lose right because you're too stupid and lazy right?

Your point of view shows how short sighted and delusional (or unable to process facts) you are. As soon as those software are wide spread what's the point? People will be like, "wow that guy is sick. 0.10bb/100. His program must be super gto. I wonder if he even has to click any buttons".

As soon as it's battle of the programmers online poker is dead (for real this time).

I was just starting to get excited about PLO and to hear about this software which will only be more wide spread is very demotivating. But it's my own fault right? I'm too stupid and lazy to beat a team of programmers with millions to develop a gto bot to scrape 0.1bb/100.

Smh

You sound so bitter it's painful reading. ^^
Poker (more so online) is a strategy game at the end of the day.
Your thoughts on professional poker players should be that of your thoughts of professional chess players. The only difference is there's money in poker as idiots like you think you are half decent (due to the luck factor over a short sample) and deposit money so those poker players you despise can take it and have a lovely life of freedom, curtesy of guys like yourself.
Don't worry, bud, keep trying, you don't need a HUD, just use your feels and I'm sure you can win online. Xo

I think you are correct to make the distinction but it will be more and more the same thing (in what 6 more months?).

As a matter of fact i did day trading for 2 years, trading NASDAQ, NYSE and Euronext about 8 years ago. In day trading much less people will succeed then in poker, you have to be very talented to succeed, unless you are on the other end , like specialist. I don't rate day traders any higher then poker players, investors are something different. Day trading is gambling, unless you have an edge, then it is something you can at least call a job.

haha ok, again, i have been playing online for 9 years and played millions of hands. I am not impressed with what you are saying, but ok, go ahead and put me on whatever you feel good about.

This argument would be a lot better if

1)any type of training including steroids hgh etc were allowed

2)you could have in Gane help the way online poker players do

3)people paid to watch the best in the world play poker which they dont

I've dealt drugs for the past nine years...only as a hobby because I have a great career!

People who deal drugs professionally are scum so don't lump me in with them.

I have respect for professional poker players, for making it. It is one of the hardest jobs to do, especially if you are a gambler. You have to overcome a lot of demons on the way and beat yourself, change yourself, if you are going to succeed. What i m saying is that, personally, i would never be fullfilled with playing poker professionally online, would likely be overall unhappy and a worse person then i can be, with a very boring life overall. Basically lost years with limited personal development. This is where i make a point in relation to the thread and PA view on HUDs and other tools. Its an extremely boring and painfull existence to grind 50 hours a week. The older you get, the more you realize it.

So... why are u guys still talking about huds? Pretty clear the software in question is real time software that helps you play your ranges better. Can we get back on topic or this thread gonna go full ******?