Just because you haven't heard something before doesn't make it big news lol.

I don't rmb all his accounts off hand but Luigi was another one.

if you dont know what to do with the data/information (i.e. how to identify and exploit small or large leaks in your opponent's strategy), then no, simply having a HUD in and of itself will not make you a better poker player. a HUD doesnt tell you what to do, it's simply another set of eyes while you have 9 or 10 tables buried in the background, or are focusing on one table for an important hand. if you dont know how to set up an efficient layout or are clueless about how to play against a person with an 80% cbet compared to a person with a 60% cbet, then it's gonna be pretty much useless. the people who figure it out are the people who work the hardest, plain and simple. the people who cry about it have their own set of issues

The software comments aside, it's nice to see PA speaking so openly and he seems to be in a good place mentally. Hopefully he resumes crushing.

Yeah, I didnt know that.However,why do you think the had more than 2 or 3 accounts?

Not only his own accounts but even worse http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...300-600nl-659/

This is what Patrik is saying not bitching about HUDs and HHs.

if i remember correctly patrik clearly said in finnish interview that tracking softwares are killing games and he is not willing to learn to use said programs. He said that he played some omaha in stars and lost million straight and that now he is done with plo/nlh.

The truth is somewhere in between the extremes you guys are posting. No, you can't give someone software and make them a winner if they can't play poker and yes, you can win without software. The problem lies in the fact that super advanced software makes mediocre regs a lot stronger and/or able to play a lot more tables.

And then there's seating scripts and all other kinds of software that have little to do with the actual poker but just make it a pain in the ass to play.

GTO dream machine - priceless

But dont you think that the people,playing poker with HUDs etc are not playing real poker-they are playing by statistics etc?Like a computer game or something.

so sad so true

+1

for all the people saying this i would be willling to put any of the top online players in a live game with anotnius and xbook big. they wouldnt have any software there but they would still be better

I like how there's a million people bashing a dude who has been crushing high stakes for like 10 years. He's known about trackers and huds for years now. These days there are some next level tools out there beyond huds and trackers that have been mentioned in this thread and apparently give people a sick edge. If a dude with this much experience and esteem at high stakes is saying there is BS in the high stakes games, it's time to shut up and listen imo.

I really hope someone takes you up on this.

What American sites? Bovada is it. There isn't enough volume or game types for people to rise through the ranks. And you say anon like it helps a win rate? I assure you it does not. What other American site is there with any real volume? Not blackchip not wsop... What else?

There are long time pros who try to do $100 to $10k challenges on bovada and give up because it takes too long even on the softest site around.

I know people like you love to attack and belittle those who might imply the games aren't worth playing and poker more than ever is a pipe dream. Good for you if you're making a living at the game but I would bet my net worth you didn't do it post Black Friday on an American site. You can count on one hand how many have done that (if that because I don't know of one- plz enlighten us). It's no longer just about effort and intelligence. (And to be honest it wasn't before either, it was about unfair informational advantage from HUDS). I am a winning player in some formats but the ability to put enough volume in at micros and the declining win rates is severely hurting the poker dream.

Also regarding HUDS I guarantee win rates would go up if banned. People don't be short sighted. It's about the average skill of the population you are playing against. Stop HUDS and new comers learning curve will get much longer. You all say there were HUDS back in the day, true, but it wasn't PERVASIVE. Only the most serious players had them. Now anyone who plays knows about them and knows they are essential.

What I'm saying isn't popular .... But it's the reality.

you guys know that holdem manager has a window where you can select players and stats to display the exact same information that the HUD displays over the top of the table, right? like nobody could copy/paste the info to a new screen, or line them all up in a window for reference? are we gonna ban HEM, too?

What they should do as a compromise is have stars allow all you software fanatics play together segregated where you can 6 bet fold eachother lite all day and float %s of flops and turns etc,
then have all non software players segregated on full tilt where we can actually enjoy the game and use our brains and poker instincts to play out in a real poker environment.

all you damn HUD players and your blind 6betting, i want a game where i can limp into pots at will and we can play REAL poker!

I see posts like these and can't help but envision some wrinkly 90 year old man hunched over, angrily waving his cane in the air complaining about generations after him.


Must be miserable to be consumed with irrational negativity.

I see immature reclusive awkward men in the late twenties and early thirties when I read the likes of yours and REP's post. You are like spoilt little children who stick their fingers in their ears shouting lalalala when mommy wants to take away their toys (Huds)

Those of you who have written the likes of myself and others off as losers at poker because we DONT use software are so stupid. You have clarified my own opinion and Patrick Antonious.... We cant win at poker UNLESS we use software in 2015. Thanks guys..

it's your attitude that makes anybody with half a brain write you off as a loser in poker. and your words.

^nobody who authors such a ridiculous hawt take on the game of poker could ever be a decent winner in anything other than his home game or some microsteaks games online (and you're probably not even a winner there)

You sir, are a delusional person. You cant beat the game (If you do at all) unless you use your 3rd party software aids that dictate to you how to exploit each player.
You cant use your own brain to play. It gives a major unfair advantage over those who do not use them. This is factual. Not true? Why the hell do you and the rest of them pay money to acquire them? Why is it such a lucrative market for software developers? Why do you HUD pro's get so irate and defensive when this subject is brought up? Why did you and the software developers relentlessly tard up the 3rd party software stars thread in Internet poker?

This ^^.

Here is the link to the podcast with Jason Mo (relevant conversation starts at 1h26m12s):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=41&v...0-RHk#t=86m12s

No matter how good you are, it's gonna be pretty tough to beat the online high stakes games if everybody is basically doing what a pseudo-gto program tells them to do.

because you're completely wrong about the way that HUDs work, and you sound like a complete ****ing idiot. if you want to play HU online sometime with no HUD, PM me, i'll play for any amount you can throw down, we can webcam it, and i'll wipe the floor with your dead carcass.

this will be the last time i click "show post" on you, because it's getting tiresome