Jmo confirmed on joeys podcast that many (most?) HSPLO players have real time software that tells them how to play their ranges.

+1
So obvious.

Lol. All those hudtards are utterly cringe worthy when they start with the 'it takes skill to use software, homework, bla bla bla'
You are not poker players. You are statistic anaylists maybe, but not players.
Your winrates would plummet if ya didnt have your tools. FACT.

Lots of people misunderstanding what Antonious is saying and what the word "fair" means

"everybody making a living playing online poker likes/needs huds"? if nobody was using a hud or any type of software(you included) do you think youre still good enough to make a living playing online? if yes your winrate would be so much larger than it is right now but so many are too reliant on software/stupid to see that

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this is so far beyond stupid, i dont think theres a word for it

I think what you meant to say was 'this is so true I simply cannot dispute it'

You are welcome

So notecaddy hasn't been banned yet?

these threads are so good for adding new people to the ignore list and vastly improving the 2+2 browsing experience

have fun raging on the forum about a bunch of stuff you don't understand, all because you're too stupid/lazy to beat the easiest games online and don't want to face the truth about why you're a lifetime loser in poker (hint: it's not my HUD that makes you lose)

hope that helps!

It's really astonishing how delusional some of you guys complaining about HUDs are. A HUD doesn't magically make you a winning player at ANY stake. It's simly a tool for keeping track of your reads. Any winning player who is multi-tabling 8 tables or more with a HUD would have a higher win rate playing 2 tables without a HUD guaranteed. What really is "cringe worthy" is the fact that guys like you have too big egos to realize/admit that you're simply not good enough. You clearly have no idea how much work and/or talent it takes to make it to the top. It's like listening to a casual tennis player saying that the only reason why he can't beat Nadal is because Nadal has a better tennis racket lol.

So true and so unfortunate. Live play is the only way and anonymous online tournaments.

auca,

i mean, forget getting to the top, it takes a ridiculous amount of work just to make it to the middle of the pack nowadays. these guys are just lazy, emotional, bitter, probably not very smart or disciplined, and full of all kinds of defense mechanisms to avoid ever having to confront hard truths about their personal flaws which prevent them from being winners.

^Can't even think of a word for this lol

How can u make nobody use software?

Let's assume an all out ban on every single software besides the client.

Now do you think bots would disappear? Do you think colluders would disappear? Do you think the millions of computer programmers would just sit idle and not exploit the situation, by programming their own stuff? I would recommend u to look at Skier thread with the voice command software just to get a clue.

And what would we who are not programming savvys do? Get exploited without the possibility to fight back?

"Oh but you know poker is supose to be all about the fun..." If u want fun u can easily find computer games that r far more interesting than poker. Poker is about earning money, and to earn money u have to fight for it because Im not giving u my money just for fun.

Im a decent winner in mtts and have an excellent ROI.
I dont use software that dictates and tells me how to play.
Lol though. Keep up your assumptions on mine and other non hud tards skill level.
Cheers

orly, lets have a screen name to verify then

let's see how bad youre killing those winamax tourneys big guy

I thought you had me on block? No im not posting any of my screen names.

pretty much this. i don't say HUD policies should never change or new generation software shouldn't banned. but books, forums, coaching sites and all the other stuff made the environment tougher ... also more ppl grind for a living while less ppl deposit.

if we would have soft NL100+ games like a few years ago, no one would care about HUDs

it gives me the option "show post", sometimes i do that for lols, of which you've provided me plenty

It´s Patrik!

Patrik knows all about fair with his 50 accounts on full tilt that didn't get closed for years. I am sure full tilt extended the same courtesy to everyone fairly right?

I don't think PA was saying that the software available to everyone was killing the game but the stuff that we don't get easy access to HAS killed the HSnl, HSplo.
Like the skier programs that everyone wants banned. lol

He had more than 2-3 accounts on full tilt?I know for his pro account and finddagrind.Any ideas why he(had) more accounts?This is big news if you are right becaouse this is important thing.

There are a few things which I think I need to mention:

PA is as he said a feel player, therefore he prefers games without any data on which you can base your decisions. If you are an analyst, you will for sure prefer huds and its data to make proper decisions. It has nothing to do with being lazy but PA probably won't enjoy poker if he has to study numbers 6 hours/day and rather do something else.

To get more into detail about the HUD and whoever said a simple HUD won't make you a better player is clearly lying. Even the simple HUD shows positional stats, 3bet vs UTG/BTN/SB and with a meaninful samplesize you can exploit someones 30 VPIP UTG range. While against someone who only opens 23% from UTG you might 3bet less. I don't think you will see that difference as clearly without a HUD.

There are custom HUDS which provide unreal stats which include board textures, betsizes and so on. So you pretty much know in which spots which opponents never bluff or do it too often.

Moreover, what I think Patrik is mostly concerned about is real time software. If you think about how much money they are playing for it would be silly to think noone yet tried to hire a programmer to create something exclusively for a circle of people.