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"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius "if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius

09-02-2015 , 07:34 AM
Jmo confirmed on joeys podcast that many (most?) HSPLO players have real time software that tells them how to play their ranges.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Claymicro
Patrick isn't talking about HEM or PT. He means software which tells you what do to in exact spots etc. Those GTO dream machines.
+1
So obvious.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 07:51 AM
Lol. All those hudtards are utterly cringe worthy when they start with the 'it takes skill to use software, homework, bla bla bla'
You are not poker players. You are statistic anaylists maybe, but not players.
Your winrates would plummet if ya didnt have your tools. FACT.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 08:41 AM
Lots of people misunderstanding what Antonious is saying and what the word "fair" means
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TR7isBetterThanU
+1
Much more in-depth strategy involved with HUDs; endless stats to chose to look at to gain an edge on your opponent. It's generally Americans and people who are less intelligent that want software banned. Everybody making a living playing online poker likes/needs HUDs and fish aren't going to be bothered anyway as they're playing to have fun (and lose money) anyway. It's not as though a HUD is going to greatly help most of them; but even still, it's really not expensive to buy HM2, it's not even a monthly subscription!
I really hope Stars don't see this thread or listen to any of the anti-HUD players, then again, I'm almost certain that none of their regular customers
are against them anyway.
Also worth adding that hand tracking helps hugely in identifying bots.

"everybody making a living playing online poker likes/needs huds"? if nobody was using a hud or any type of software(you included) do you think youre still good enough to make a living playing online? if yes your winrate would be so much larger than it is right now but so many are too reliant on software/stupid to see that
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MrSpew
..the average nvg reg needs to stop blaming software, you are clearly just not that good...
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"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkMattersMan
Lol. All those hudtards are utterly cringe worthy when they start with the 'it takes skill to use software, homework, bla bla bla'
You are not poker players. You are statistic anaylists maybe, but not players.
Your winrates would plummet if ya didnt have your tools. FACT.
this is so far beyond stupid, i dont think theres a word for it
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
this is so far beyond stupid, i dont think theres a word for it
I think what you meant to say was 'this is so true I simply cannot dispute it'

You are welcome
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:32 AM
So notecaddy hasn't been banned yet?
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09-02-2015 , 09:34 AM
these threads are so good for adding new people to the ignore list and vastly improving the 2+2 browsing experience

have fun raging on the forum about a bunch of stuff you don't understand, all because you're too stupid/lazy to beat the easiest games online and don't want to face the truth about why you're a lifetime loser in poker (hint: it's not my HUD that makes you lose)

hope that helps!
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkMattersMan
Lol. All those hudtards are utterly cringe worthy when they start with the 'it takes skill to use software, homework, bla bla bla'
You are not poker players. You are statistic anaylists maybe, but not players.
Your winrates would plummet if ya didnt have your tools. FACT.
It's really astonishing how delusional some of you guys complaining about HUDs are. A HUD doesn't magically make you a winning player at ANY stake. It's simly a tool for keeping track of your reads. Any winning player who is multi-tabling 8 tables or more with a HUD would have a higher win rate playing 2 tables without a HUD guaranteed. What really is "cringe worthy" is the fact that guys like you have too big egos to realize/admit that you're simply not good enough. You clearly have no idea how much work and/or talent it takes to make it to the top. It's like listening to a casual tennis player saying that the only reason why he can't beat Nadal is because Nadal has a better tennis racket lol.

Last edited by Auca32; 09-02-2015 at 09:50 AM.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NLBiddy
CREV - $99
flopzilla - $35
HM2 - $100
Note Caddy - $90
Note Caddy Edge - $99
Table Ninja - $150
Pro Poker Tools - $89
Run It Once coaching - $100 /mo
Deposit - $500


You're now ready to play 10NL
So true and so unfortunate. Live play is the only way and anonymous online tournaments.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:52 AM
auca,

i mean, forget getting to the top, it takes a ridiculous amount of work just to make it to the middle of the pack nowadays. these guys are just lazy, emotional, bitter, probably not very smart or disciplined, and full of all kinds of defense mechanisms to avoid ever having to confront hard truths about their personal flaws which prevent them from being winners.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
auca,

i mean, forget getting to the top, it takes a ridiculous amount of work just to make it to the middle of the pack nowadays. these guys are just lazy, emotional, bitter, probably not very smart or disciplined, and full of all kinds of defense mechanisms to avoid ever having to confront hard truths about their personal flaws which prevent them from being winners.

^Can't even think of a word for this lol
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 4GET2PWNED0
"everybody making a living playing online poker likes/needs huds"? if nobody was using a hud or any type of software(you included) do you think youre still good enough to make a living playing online? if yes your winrate would be so much larger than it is right now but so many are too reliant on software/stupid to see that
How can u make nobody use software?

Let's assume an all out ban on every single software besides the client.

Now do you think bots would disappear? Do you think colluders would disappear? Do you think the millions of computer programmers would just sit idle and not exploit the situation, by programming their own stuff? I would recommend u to look at Skier thread with the voice command software just to get a clue.

And what would we who are not programming savvys do? Get exploited without the possibility to fight back?

"Oh but you know poker is supose to be all about the fun..." If u want fun u can easily find computer games that r far more interesting than poker. Poker is about earning money, and to earn money u have to fight for it because Im not giving u my money just for fun.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:02 AM
Im a decent winner in mtts and have an excellent ROI.
I dont use software that dictates and tells me how to play.
Lol though. Keep up your assumptions on mine and other non hud tards skill level.
Cheers
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:08 AM
orly, lets have a screen name to verify then

let's see how bad youre killing those winamax tourneys big guy
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:10 AM
I thought you had me on block? No im not posting any of my screen names.
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkem
Poker is about earning money, and to earn money u have to fight for it because Im not giving u my money just for fun.
pretty much this. i don't say HUD policies should never change or new generation software shouldn't banned. but books, forums, coaching sites and all the other stuff made the environment tougher ... also more ppl grind for a living while less ppl deposit.

if we would have soft NL100+ games like a few years ago, no one would care about HUDs
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkMattersMan
I thought you had me on block? No im not posting any of my screen names.
it gives me the option "show post", sometimes i do that for lols, of which you've provided me plenty
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:41 AM
It´s Patrik!
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:44 AM
Patrik knows all about fair with his 50 accounts on full tilt that didn't get closed for years. I am sure full tilt extended the same courtesy to everyone fairly right?
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:47 AM
I don't think PA was saying that the software available to everyone was killing the game but the stuff that we don't get easy access to HAS killed the HSnl, HSplo.
Like the skier programs that everyone wants banned. lol
"if you don't use software it's not a fair game anymore" - Patrick Antonius Quote
09-02-2015 , 10:49 AM
He had more than 2-3 accounts on full tilt?I know for his pro account and finddagrind.Any ideas why he(had) more accounts?This is big news if you are right becaouse this is important thing.
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09-02-2015 , 10:55 AM
There are a few things which I think I need to mention:

PA is as he said a feel player, therefore he prefers games without any data on which you can base your decisions. If you are an analyst, you will for sure prefer huds and its data to make proper decisions. It has nothing to do with being lazy but PA probably won't enjoy poker if he has to study numbers 6 hours/day and rather do something else.

To get more into detail about the HUD and whoever said a simple HUD won't make you a better player is clearly lying. Even the simple HUD shows positional stats, 3bet vs UTG/BTN/SB and with a meaninful samplesize you can exploit someones 30 VPIP UTG range. While against someone who only opens 23% from UTG you might 3bet less. I don't think you will see that difference as clearly without a HUD.

There are custom HUDS which provide unreal stats which include board textures, betsizes and so on. So you pretty much know in which spots which opponents never bluff or do it too often.

Moreover, what I think Patrik is mostly concerned about is real time software. If you think about how much money they are playing for it would be silly to think noone yet tried to hire a programmer to create something exclusively for a circle of people.
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