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View Poll Results: Do you want the AGCC to regulate the new FTP?
Yes
1,156 56.58%
No
887 43.42%

06-22-2012 , 10:50 AM
diamond flush how could you be one of the most looked to for news on this situation and still not bring out ANY ARTICLES almost 2 months after the rumors?
06-22-2012 , 10:55 AM
It still bothers me that this thread, this wonderful piece of history, has a poll that shows that 56% wants the AGCC to regulate FTP. Man, am I glad those f#ckups are out of the picture. They wouldn't even know how to regulate a game of marbles.
06-22-2012 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Braindead2000
But which part of his work/training indicates a comeback of FTP. He might just be hired because PS can use qualified men.
This. It could be just a standard move to another firm. It happens in every industry. If its only one of them, then it's most likely just this.
06-22-2012 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by The Good Life11
diamond flush how could you be one of the most looked to for news on this situation and still not bring out ANY ARTICLES almost 2 months after the rumors?
If subject poker was around Noah would have put put an article weeks ago
06-22-2012 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Braindead2000
It still bothers me that this thread, this wonderful piece of history, has a poll that shows that 56% wants the AGCC to regulate FTP. Man, am I glad those f#ckups are out of the picture. They wouldn't even know how to regulate a game of marbles.
I agree, it should really be 50%/50%... people either want the AGCC to regulate FTP or they don't.
06-22-2012 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by The Good Life11
diamond flush how could you be one of the most looked to for news on this situation and still not bring out ANY ARTICLES almost 2 months after the rumors?
Theres a ton of rumour mills you can check out to get your fix of unsubstantiated bull****.
06-22-2012 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hugeego
Im Estonian, but i used uk loyds for deposits and withrawals. I made my last casout 2 days prior to ftp being shut for 500 pounds and it arrived few hours before ftp was shut :O

May have been easier to get 500 than 8.5k.
06-22-2012 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky999
@Diamond Flush

1. Who is paying the remaining staff bills at Pocket Kings?
Afaik, this information is not public info atm, but undoubtedly will be. I can say with authority that FTP owners are not writing checks to see that things/people are paid.
2. Approx how long can these wages continue to be paid without a deal being agreed?
Not long. But keep in mind that figures that were quoted a year ago for salaries and expenses etc obv no longer apply now.
3. Is there a single remaining issue that is halting the deal being finalised or is it a multitude of things?
well, I'll take issue with the idea of something "halting the deal". It's a process. There is a lot of ground to cover and clearly it involves an enormous amount of money. I'm sure each side has a checklist. Lawyers gonna lawyer
4. Are we at a stage where we could hear about a deal being finalised any day now or is there for example something that has to be done that takes a minimum of two weeks before we could possibly hear of a resolution?
I am not aware of anything that would require X number of days or weeks to accomplish, so technically an announcement could be made at any time. I will say however, that contrary to what has been said by others, there is no intentional delay to force any announcement to happen in tandem with any other "special" event. I think it's safe to safe that all sides would prefer this is completed and announced as soon as is possible.
5. If you could go back in time and choose not to get involved with Subject Poker/ this whole debacle would you do so?
Hmmm, to be honest, in the beginning, I had no idea what I was getting myself into, and had no clue whatsoever that this journey would take me where it has. I'll admit, it's not been easy by any definition of the word, and it still is not, but knowing what I know now, it had to be done and I would do it over in a heartbeat (only better!).
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06-22-2012 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleSong
PS are not in Dublin training employees that is correct, but just wanted to add that the contractors who where let go from PK was offered a job by PS.

I know at least one of them took the offer and is now working for PS at their London office.
This is absolutely true btw, (for a limited number, not all), but the claim, made over and over for the last month, of high level PS employees being in Dublin training people 100 gazillion percent was, and is, blatantly false.

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Originally Posted by The Good Life11
If subject poker was around Noah would have put put an article weeks ago
If there was news he would have and so would I. When I worked for Noah, we weren't in the business of publishing rumors either. If you are interested in rumors, you have plenty of places to read those.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 06-22-2012 at 01:07 PM.
06-22-2012 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
Of course the bolded part is true, how could it not be? FTP was a total once in a lifetime gravy train opportunity. They had it all and wrecked it. Who wouldn't be upset by that? If either of those two had it in their power to put things back the way they were, they would.

They obviously don't have that ability. They made a string of horrible decisions that you can almost guarantee they wouldn't have made had they foreseen the consequences.

It's like how people claim Bitar is working hard to make a deal.... isn't that obvious? Do people really think he's just sitting there trimming his goatee and eating lobster waiting to go to jail, when he still has outs?
Yes, people do think that, because their (legitimate) anger clouds their judgment when thinking of this issue.
06-22-2012 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Haupt_234
I agree, it should really be 50%/50%... people either want the AGCC to regulate FTP or they don't.
This.

Aldernitty Gamey Commission .

They couldn't regulate a morning bowel movement without messing it up.
06-22-2012 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
This is absolutely true btw, (for a limited number, not all), but the claim, made over and over for the last month, of high level PS employees being in Dublin training people 100 gazillion percent was, and is, blatantly false.
Just to expand further, the contractors will not be working with PK employees until a deal is made. This was merely a way for PS to retain some skills that else might had been lost.
06-22-2012 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Braindead2000
http://www.pokerlistings.com/negrean...boggling-57481

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DN: You know what I find amazing? I find it amazing that people pin it on the black guy. What about f***ing Erik Seidel and John Juanda and Phil Gordon and Andy Bloch. What’s the difference? Why is everyone so hung up on saying that Phil (Ivey) has done something wrong?
He’s not Howard Lederer or Chris Ferguson or Ray Bitar. Those are the scumbags that did it.
If people are going to pin it on Phil why don’t they talk to Allen Cunningham the same way? I don’t understand it at all. End quote.

Does this mean these guys are also shareholder? Or was this already common knowledge?
They are picking on "the black guy" because he is a lot more well-known and outspoken and more of an ambassador for poker than Allen Cunningham is. Not because he is black. No one outside of hardcore poker degenerates knows who Allen Cunningham is, but very casual poker players and even non-poker players know Phil Ivey.

This is a scummy quote by Negreanu.
06-22-2012 , 01:00 PM
I just want to be able to play on FTP and PS again. Miss the software. **** get a deal done already
06-22-2012 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
This is absolutely true btw, (for a limited number, not all), but the claim, made over and over for the last month, of high level PS employees being in Dublin training people 100 gazillion percent was, and is, blatantly false.
You could see how someone would buy it as true though. Sounds like the kind of thing that would be required if you had zero understanding of what they do in Dublin and how good they are at it.
06-22-2012 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by three_dee
They are picking on "the black guy" because he is a lot more well-known and outspoken and more of an ambassador for poker than Allen Cunningham is. Not because he is black. No one outside of hardcore poker degenerates knows who Allen Cunningham is, but very casual poker players and even non-poker players know Phil Ivey.

This is a scummy quote by Negreanu.
I don't think anyone would ever call Phil Ivey outspoken. I would agree that he gets more crap than Cunningham because he was the face of Full Tilt poker, not Cunningham, and because he is the Tiger Woods of poker. Though, the same could be said of Patrick Antonius (the David Beckham of poker) who just signed with a new site and had a decent (3%ish I think) ownership stake, yet is not getting much grief at all.

For some people, maybe race is a factor subconsciously. For others, I'm sure they have more respectable reasons.

Also, the quote was also missing the last part about how "he is the only one who came out and said anything and stood up for the players." or something along those lines. (I assume referring to the lawsuit, which others have said prevented a deal, but none of us can make a conclusion on that given our limited information).
06-22-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bizzle03
I don't think anyone would ever call Phil Ivey outspoken. I would agree that he gets more crap than Cunningham because he was the face of Full Tilt poker, not Cunningham, and because he is the Tiger Woods of poker. Though, the same could be said of Patrick Antonius (the David Beckham of poker) who just signed with a new site and had a decent (3%ish I think) ownership stake, yet is not getting much grief at all.

For some people, maybe race is a factor subconsciously. For others, I'm sure they have more respectable reasons.

Also, the quote was also missing the last part about how "he is the only one who came out and said anything and stood up for the players." or something along those lines. (I assume referring to the lawsuit, which others have said prevented a deal, but none of us can make a conclusion on that given our limited information).
Or it could just be because Allen Cunningham isn't an owner.

Last edited by Diamond_Flush; 06-22-2012 at 01:56 PM. Reason: Or what I really mean is Allen Cunningham isn't an owner.
06-22-2012 , 01:50 PM
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well, I'll take issue with the idea of something "halting the deal". It's a process. There is a lot of ground to cover and clearly it involves an enormous amount of money. I'm sure each side has a checklist. Lawyers gonna lawyer
So, just to confirm, there's no major sticking point for which both sides are haggling over, but there's just a laundry list of procedural stuff to get done?
06-22-2012 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bizzle03
I don't think anyone would ever call Phil Ivey outspoken. I would agree that he gets more crap than Cunningham because he was the face of Full Tilt poker, not Cunningham, and because he is the Tiger Woods of poker. Though, the same could be said of Patrick Antonius (the David Beckham of poker) who just signed with a new site and had a decent (3%ish I think) ownership stake, yet is not getting much grief at all.

For some people, maybe race is a factor subconsciously. For others, I'm sure they have more respectable reasons.

Also, the quote was also missing the last part about how "he is the only one who came out and said anything and stood up for the players." or something along those lines. (I assume referring to the lawsuit, which others have said prevented a deal, but none of us can make a conclusion on that given our limited information).
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Or it could just be because Allen Cunningham isn't an owner.
Good point.

But what about Antonius, a more appropriate comparison and wildly different treatment by this 2p2 crowd?

For it to be fair, I guess we'd have to ask, if Antonius had made 5 final tables this WSOP, would he be getting burned by some like Ivey is? I think not. Antonius is also playing the $1 million buy-in one drop and not getting any crap for it.

Just an observation.
06-22-2012 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond_Flush
Or it could just be because Allen Cunningham isn't an owner.
True, but as we have seen in this ridiculous thread, not many people can distinguish who had what role in Full Tilt even though the information is freely available, so that's probably not a prerequisite for where people direct their anger.
06-22-2012 , 02:10 PM
Phil Ivey is much more known than any of the other owners, and currently isn't shy about showing up in public to throw money around. Basically, Ivey was the commercial face of FTP. His face has been flashed on ESPN so much that non-poker players know who he is. Is Seidel an owner? If he is, then I agree he should be catching more flak. Nobody seems to be talking about him.
06-22-2012 , 02:18 PM
Ivey gets a one year pass while is the deal is being work on imo. He means too much to the community to just have him sit out for that long.

With that being said if FTP does not pay out, the fact that he received SO MUCH MONEY could not be ignored.
06-22-2012 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bizzle03
I don't think anyone would ever call Phil Ivey outspoken. I would agree that he gets more crap than Cunningham because he was the face of Full Tilt poker, not Cunningham, and because he is the Tiger Woods of poker. Though, the same could be said of Patrick Antonius (the David Beckham of poker) who just signed with a new site and had a decent (3%ish I think) ownership stake, yet is not getting much grief at all.
I dont think Antonius was even an owner, he wasnt even an original Team FT member.
06-22-2012 , 02:33 PM
@ Diamond

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
06-22-2012 , 02:48 PM
I see I am not the only one who doesn't know every owner and what percentage they have. Some, though, think this information has been published. Would you be so kind to give me a link then?

      
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