How many times does someone have to explain Non-Disclosure Agreements to you?

To answer your question, yes, yes they can.

And if there never is an agreement, they can, in fact, never say anything at all about it.

+1 they will keep kidding the victims with their imaginary deals while blowing our money for bitches, lobster and craps! these scumbags will continue until the boiling point!

IDK I think once the DOJ chose to get involved they did so understanding that if they were unable to get American's money back they would lose major public opinion I think any resolution that doesn't involve full repayment would be unacceptable to them thus they would not have began this process if they were unsure they could deliver the desired result.

yeah..sure..it was all planned out for the players best interest by the masterminds of the DOJ, don't worry about it.

How are we letting them off the hook? AFAIK the proper suits have been filed and everyone is just sort of waiting for someone to say "it's over. you are/are not getting your money". After that occurs, I think you will see a lot more attempts at retribution if the outcome is unfavorable for those owed.

I think its important to note that probably the biggest difference between Stars and FTP was their attitudes towards this marketing aspect of their sites. Stars always seemed to put the business first, choosing people to sponsor that appealed to specific demographics and tied it in well to their strategy of creating national/regional tours like EPT/UKIPT/IPT/Estrellas/ANZPT to promote the site through satellites to live events which as you correctly point out a part of the idea they're selling is the chance to win it big in a well known live event. In contrast, FTP had an excessively US-centric marketing strategy which was probably the result of the ego of people like Lederer/Ferguson who thought the "star power" of themselves and their friends was much more powerful than it was in reality. It pretty much just seems that nepotism drove FTP sponsorship decisions and there was very little asked of many Red Pros and so it's hard to believe they were providing a real return for the site.

For years FTP gave off the vibe of marketing pros. Instead they just bankrolled all their extreme marketing with player money. In hindsight it was not effective marketing at all. Just a public raping of the online poker community shown on tv and Internet all around the world for years.

Like any good con man they have to put up appearances of success. Their massive marketing expenses gave them that in the public eye even though they were not making any legitimate money. It baited the player hook and when the time was right they pulled the money bag onto their pirate ship.

Marketing is easy when you don't care about a direct return on investment translated into business profits.

Yeah if there is no deal it is highly possible there is no announcement for the foreseeable future. Stars is not in a position to announce anything without doj approval. Also if they do not make a deal why would they want to admit they even tried? Too many lunkheads would get mad at them for not giving them money someone else stole.

This is much different then the Tapie situation. The DOJ will eventually announce something but that could be forever away.

seriously, if i see one of these scumbags like ivey in a tournament i would at least put my finger down my throat and puke all over him!

If you're serious, I'm pretty sure 2p2'ers could pool together enough $$ to fly you out to LV to make this happen. U down?

LOL, another internet tough guy that would probably do nothing if faced with the opportunity.

I wouldn't do anything either, but I won't make claims over the internet that I would.

Went to Italy for a couple of weeks ... looks like no developments while I was out.

Has there been any tangible developments in the last week or has the sharp turn in sentiment about this deal going through just happened as a result of more passed time with no news?

I hate to break it to you, but there is no boiling point. There have been more than a couple instances of sites going under and swallowing all the player money with it without any repayment or retribution whatsoever.

You're waiting for these guys to "get what's coming to them" and that's simply never going to happen. Either a third party is going to come in to rescue players, or we're never seeing a dime - either way, Bitar, Lederer, etc. are never paying players back, and never paying for what they did beyond what's already happening in the court system.

At this point a lot of people's periods have synched up as a result of so much time spent ITT, and it's that time of the month. There's not any new news.

Can someone explain to me why Howard Lederer, Bitar, and Ferguson, especially Lederer since he is still in the USA (i think), haven't been ARRESTED? Fulltilt was flat out called a ponzi scheme, so why they haven't they been arrested for fraud? I mean seriously!!!

DOJ lawyers in charge of this case have phone numbers, which are part of the public record...

Calling it a ponzi scheme and proving it are 2 different things.

One one hand yes, It kind of resembles a ponzi scheme
On the other hand, We need more evidence to file charges.

If that's the case then they should be shunned by the poker community and banned from every casino on the planet.

Naming something in a media release or press conference is not the same as filing charges. None of the above have been criminally charged atm besides Bitar.
As was said, you can always call the criminal division of SDNY and ask why that is.

what do you think is the chance, that the named will be arrested anytime soon?

just lol! don't be too certain with these assumptions cause i might be going to make it happen personally.

i already wrote the DOJ at AskDOJ@usdoj.gov. exactly the same question and never get a response. they just don't give a **** about the players. guess they want us to solve this problem ourselves.

Then why are they claiming to be broke ? Have they had any assets frozen? I don't recall anyone ever explaining what these guys are facing Right now. Noah telling everyone how much they owe and how they are claiming bankruptcy is
the first I recall hearing this.

Noah, I don't see how these two statements are compatible. I don't know why you keep insisting on this talking point. Am I missing something? Yes, the owners stole from us, but the DOJ also made many seizures of payment processers, and if you are looking at dates other than black friday, I bet the money they seized adds up to quite a pretty penny. The DOJ has/had our money too. there is no other way to slice it. Whether or not they are "allowed" to take it, or take it and burn it on a bonfire, is besides the point. It's money that was in route to players that the DOJ took.