Source?

FWIW, I admit it started out as annoying as ****. But since you contributed real information, very quickly, your sig became a term of endearment.

Thanks for your contribution. Keep up the good work

If a government freezes bank accounts of a company, you get your money off while you still can. I would have taken my money off stars/ftp if I had the chance the second black friday hit. It's not like you had other choices to play on or anything. How much more of a sign that **** is about to go down the toilet do you want?

If you were USA you had no chance to get any money after BF from FTP, ROW had some chance but it was very slow and difficult for many players. These are the facts about the FTP situation.

Pokerstars paid off almost within a couple of weeks to USA and continue to serve ROW as of today. Totally different from FTP.

Sorry but your point is unclear! What makes you think you could have withdrawn from FTP after BF in the USA at all? And do you not understand the difficulties ROW had with FTP withdrawls up untill shutdown?

12-18 months is the minimum sentence even if they drop everything but the conspiracy charge, the same deal Beckley got, and the judge has already said he thinks the 'aggravated circumstances' of this case cause for an upwards departure to a longer sentence.

The DOJ has no wiggle room, the judge was upset that the banker, who did nothing but follow the legal opinion he sought, only received 6 months - plus the conspiracy charge would stick even if he won the gambling case.

I said after china syndrome that if anything but a full 'pardon' was a deal breaker, consider the deal is broken (short of perhaps Obama losing the election an throwing us a bone on his way out of office).

So your roll was about a hundo. I see. Your bankroll to thread post ratio is astounding.

This post can't get enough love ITT.

Go get 'em, joey.

It wasn't big news because it happened the same day their gambling license was suspended, but their biggest processor announced they would no longer handle FTP transactions because FTP had been telling it's customers that it was the processor denying their cashouts when in fact it was them.

They would apparently tell ROW customers after weeks waiting for a check that the processor screwed up and to resubmit the request, so those customers can not possibly be at fault for not getting their money off the site.

Reread my post. For being a Bene Gesserit you don't pay any attention. Maybe I should clarify saying that by saying if I had the opportunity to get the money off I would have, meaning if I was ROW I would have had an opportunity to get the money off even if it was slow.

The plan was not acceptable because that brokedick Tapie was essentially trying to buy FTP with your money, not his. DOJ gave him months to actually come up with the funds, to no avail and eventually told him to pound sand.

Knock it off.

Is it possible to get myself banned from this thread or NVG specifically (untill this thread is closed or smth)?
I love 2p2, but this thread honestly kills my love for the game, it east me from inside, it burns me. I promise myself every day not to come here saying the big news will get out in all pokernews sites quickly, but somehow i still keep checking the new daily 3-5 pages of this devastating thread.
I want to get back to playing and enjoying poker and community, used to check here a lot of fun threads, photoshops, loved it, jes i even stopped listening to pokercast

There's no way we can do it in the software, no.

However, if you want me to infract you any time I see you reading or posting in this thread, we could give that a try.

OMG This?

lol at this lilwhaldo character.

So considering that the DOJ cannot or will not move on their position of a custodial sentence for Isai and he does not want to do that, then the deal is down....However he has been on the IOM now for more than a year, as he has nowhere else to go, maybe he may do some time.....No plane from IOM can take him to a safe zone (Israel) without stopping.

The reason Calvin Ayre does not come to UK anymore is the same as Isai not going to London, there is a rumour wether true or not that the UK Government agrees to deport either of them if they land in the UK.

No, you don't get it. We totally agree in principle that the players should have withdrawn most of their 'rolls, only leaving enough to play some in case things turn out alright, and being totally OK with losing whatever they had left on the site.

The fact is FTP had no money and was paying up as more fish were depositing, so some people like me couldn't get their withdrawals at all, and some people got only part of them. If you had a lot of money online you might have needed to split into multiple requests I think, so some people were left with more than they wanted to have online.

Your attitude is totally uncalled for, in fact you should have no attitude when posting on the internet forums but that aside, you don't know the conditions between Black Friday and the license suspension, so don't call me stupid!

Yeah, that plus Cal likes the girls here in the Philippines... it's not really a deportation when they grab someone off a plane that isn't a resident, but yes it results in the same effect and for that's basically the privilege Dik****s paid $300M for - to be able to travel without looking over his shoulder.

It is not fun being a Billionaire if you locked in one country or location, I am sure IOM is fine but with all those Billions and cannot go anywhere! Same with CA, he is now locked down in the Phillipines as he does not know where else is safe.

A scheduling order begins a sequence of events discovery, pre-trial motions and other such matters and culminates in a trial occurring. It can be issued out very early in case and should have been out not later than 120 days after service of the first defendant but could have been out much earlier.

My experience is that parties, be they real or corporate, bring to the negotiating process personalities that range from wanting to delay any conclusion to rushing to one. These characteristics may be enhanced or reduced depending on the perceived likely result. Usually, one or more parties has an interest in delaying the matter as much as possible. These parties will engage in endless negotiation. In a matter as complex as this, it is possible to appear to be negotiating in good faith but really be slow rolling everyone. The desire of some party to avoid a conclusion is present in almost every case.

This is why scheduling orders are so important. Judges recognize this also. That is why in most federal district courts, the judge will allow deviations from the scheduling order only for extremely good reasons. It forces the reluctant party, or parties, to seriously negotiate. Nothing else works like knowing that if you don't get this resolved in a manner that you have some input and control over, then a judge or jury may give you a decision that you really don't like.

In this case the people facing jail time have no reason to push that matter forward. The scheduling order forces them to recognize that there will be a day of reckoning and to try to negotiate their best deal. Otherwise, why not delay jail time, or the end of your organization, forever? The failure to promptly issue a scheduling order was a major mistake in this matter and will probably cause it to take longer than it should have to reach a conclusion.

I have no insights into how negotiations are being conducted. They probably include a combination of phone calls, emails, formal letters, face to face meetings and more. They probably occur as needed which could be daily or less often.

I think a couple of other posters have pointed out that, to the defendants, jail time may be a more important consideration than paying back player's money. I agree with that. The two may interact but it's unlikely that your wallet is their major concern.

"but it's unlikely that your wallet is their major concern" possibly the biggest and most sincere understatement of this entire thread, congrads Gioco!!

So what does china maniac have to say now? Has he apologized at all for his inflated, speculative nonsense?

Quite the opposite, he's doubled and tripled down on it, but he's not allowed to on this site anymore, so go google to yer heart's content if you're curious.

really ,most epic thread in the world

20 years of reading

poker players and poker prayers from around world talking on the world's biggest issues of today.

and how much i hear you ask ,why its free




FREE!!!

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/arou...freer-gallery/

It reminds me of a comparison the economist Dan Ariely made between hamsters pressing a lever 100x for one pellet and the way people will check email constantly even though most people get relatively few worthwhile emails