NY has very strong poker laws against local businesses, they have strong gambling law in general, but when they circumvent them for their own benefit, such as opening the door for online gaming by allowing 'advanced deposit wagering' over the internet for horse racing, or by allowing their tribal casinos to offer poker 'because people play poker in NY', they open the commerce door to foreign competition.

If the courts felt that the IGBA was intended to make state gambling laws applicable extra territorially, there would have been no need for IGRA, because California would have been allowed to shut down Cabazon and the whole tribal casino industry would be non-existent.

A company in any other jurisdiction is legally foreign, be it tribal land, other state or offshore, and I think the chances of convicting a foreign business for conducting the very same commerce they endorse themselves, playing poker and gambling on the internet, are slim without being able to show the jury a specific law prohibiting it.

I don't know what more to add. I think anyone with reasonable comprehension skills can see that the PFA posts refer to news articles about a Stars/FTP deal emerging in late April (just look at the dates ffs) and that China's later claim to have an inside source that the deal would be completed 3rd week of May is a completely separate issue. Since this apparently isn't obvious to everyone, I did my best to make the distinction between the two claims. He does site Hood as the source for confirming that a deal was on the table in late April. This does not mean Hood is the source for his May 1 claims (it almost argues against it) and as I already pointed out, you can find posts in Hood's own words that make it clear that he doesn't have any knowledge of a timeline.

That final paragraph was in reference to the broader conspiracy theory about China's involvement in VPR.

muppets is correct. I am not chinamaniac's "source" for anything, i am totally unrelated to china's recent stuff posted in this thread and elsewhere about a "third week of May".

Prior to all this, there was a small misunderstanding, where china made a post and he said I had worked for PS when in fact i just went there in Jan in the player meetings. There is a PS rep who posted as "PS-Nick" which may have further confused things a little. This was cleared up a long while ago.

The two things are unrelated. I don't think I can make this any clearer.

cliffs?

LOL, seriously there's been nothing of importance for weeks unless you like reading the ongoing saga between China/Joey and some refereeing by ZB.

What the USSC held in the Cabazon case was that the State of California and county governments could not regulate gambling on reservation land. In no way did Cabazon authorize Indian government or organizations to enter state or county land to offer gaming opportunities there. The decision turns very much on the issue of on whose land the activity is occurring.

Analogously, and unsurprisingly, NY cannot regulate gaming in the Isle of Man or Ireland or any other sovereign state.

But NY can, and does, and has every legal right to regulate, or prohibit, gaming activities within its borders, including regulating the activities of persons who enter NY electronically.

I hate to add to this since I realize not everyone really cares about this stuff, but it turns out joeyrulesall wasn't the only one who didn't get my comment regarding China's misunderstanding about Hood's association with PokerStars.

What I was trying to do is illustrate that China is a guy who sometimes gets his facts mixed up or exercises questionable judgement, such as believing any source, no matter how good, could have 100% reliable information in a case like this. That certainly doesn't mean he should have to face unsubstantiated accusations of purposely putting out false info, especially in a thread he's no longer able to reply in.

When did this happen?

It's kind of confusing because his deal with RJ was phrased different ways at different times and idc enough to go back and check. He at the very least agreed not to post any more "inside info" but I think it was said at one point that he would no longer post itt if the deal hadn't gone through by the May 24 deadline.

I agree they do have that right, assuming they exercise it for regulatory reasons rather than competitive, the Supreme Court of Washington State gave serious commerce clause consideration as to whether or not it's state had the authority to allow tribal poker, but deny internet competition, in the end they determined that the right of the State to guard it's citizens against the additional (underage, addiction) concerns inherent with internet gambling balanced fair trade concerns.

Because NY actually permits gambling on the internet (horse racing), it's not settled law to assume that the courts would also rule in favor of the State of New York if they were also to exercise their right to prohibit foreign internet poker competition.

More importantly, we don't know the answer to that question because New York failed to even attempt to exercise that right, rather they seemingly relied upon the notion that an archaic 1961 federal law protected them from outside competition.

Thanks

That's my understanding as well.

AFAIK, until there's an actual announcement of the sale of FTP to PS, he won't be in the thread.

And if he ever tries to post "inside info" again, he's banned.

Good news

SGT do you know if they are putting in work over these weekends? is there chance news could still pop off before monday or early monday morning?

I'm not the person you want to ask about potential inside information. I have none, nor do I have any sources. I don't work in poker news.

I think the odds of anything happening over this weekend/Monday (a holiday weekend in the US) are extremely low, though. Because of the holiday thing.

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http://dockets.justia.com/docket/new...v02564/377900/

If a deal gets done or if the deal goes bust, PS and FTP and DOJ will let you know in no uncertain terms one way or the other! It won't be some half ass "pokernews" site, and it won't be some 2+2er "in the know" pretending to be Nostradamus. For now,all posters can do is "Rave On" till something meaningfull actully happens, so what? No harm done except a few hurt egos!

God I hate Kentucky for wasting my money doing this.

Also WTF:

If stars doesnt come thru and buy FTP that will mean FTP has -100% chance at coming up with $$$.

Thank you for your insight.

I just know someone who worked for pocketkings in dublin , all recent hired positions are being sacked by 31 may( they where hired when tapie was still in negotiations)

IMO this means no agreement soon (3-4 months)

i love how you write a timeframe (3-4 months)

more job openings have appeared within the last few weeks i believe? doesn't quite sync with your statement.

The problem is who would that be? Any DOJ solo announcement about remission won't happen for a long time. Neither FTP nor Stars could say anything if nothing happens.

It is a tough spot but there is not going to be any "it's over announcement" until it is really over. If stars and doj negotiations fall out we may not here about it because it is unlikely Stars is able to talk about their negotiating with the DOJ. It is a catch 22.

This is not a kiosk , its a gaming softw company .
In a kiosk u can get all running in 24 h