The Tapie situation is hard to really comprehend, because it's not our job to tell him what is a good deal or a bad deal. It's fully possible that Tapie did his due diligence, found that FTP was a good deal at 'x' price, and it just went beyond that price. That sucks hard for us, but we can't blame him for not wanting to make what he thought was a bad investment. I don't *personally* think that FTP is worth 300M+ to a non poker site either, but what I think obviously means absolutely nothing.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. But ironically enough, most people I know all claim that Ray Bitar has worked really hard to get people paid.

That doesn't mean I don't hate his guts or anything, but at least he's trying.

#1 I know a fair amount of what's going on

#2 You don't

#3 I don't care what you or anyone else take seriously


You will know nothing concrete until an announcement is made. You should know that if you take things seriously

China, scchhh please. focus away from you for a while, so we dont have to get "all exited" every time 10 new pages appears

When players are paid back a lot will be able to thank Bitar for the potential freeroll on the echecks.

Shrimp fried rice is a lot better than this thread

If Pokerstars can easily pay 1 billion+ in a 1-year time span after only ten years of doing business, FTP has to be worth 300M imo.

Agree with the rest.

Meh. It's not that simple.

Stars has a lot more international customers, the two aren't even comparable value wise. But it's totally pointless to argue about rly.

So you are no different from any other source.

Just wait for the official announcement guys.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul...poker-20110701

I love reminiscing

I think that everybody who is just foaming at the mouth reaming Chinamaniac can be safely ignored for the rest of this thread. Although I'd love to play poker with some of you guys.

Showing up at work, and revealing the specific contents of confidential settlement negotiations between you, your lawyer, and the United States Department of Justice, when you've signed a protective order agreeing to maintain the confidentiality of those discussion, are two entirely different things.

If you can't see where the CEO of a company under criminal indictment, irrespective of the face the company is still operating, can show up to work every day, chat with employees, and yet maintain the strictest confidentiality regarding negotations relative to the case, you're probably not as familiar with the world of corporate governance as you think you may be.

Methinks you're probably a little too high on your kinda-sorta-semi-insider-but-really-just-a-forum-mod-horse, frankly. Which is fine, but making rank assumptions that Isai is leaking the settlement negotiations, knowing the DOJ can just say "eff it, deal's off, trial's on, buh-bye, see some of you in jail", is really, really, shortsighted.

Yes, undoubtedly, there is quite a lot of internal poker site operating stuff that you, as a six year forum mod, may or may not get knowledge of, that the general public does not. The actual status and terms of confidential settlement negotiations with regard to criminal indictments? Not so much.

This x about a million.

There are too many reasons to get this deal done, for it not to get done *eventually*. Which is why I believe a deal will *eventually* get done. But this is far far more complex than figuring out payment mechanisms, and an awful lot of it is DOJ-to-PS's counsel-to FTP's counsel. And that's the kind of stuff that's simply not going to leak in a manner where some random poker internet person is going to get anywhere near an accurate picture.

For what it's worth, I don't work in the poker industry, but I have worked in complex commerical civil litigation for 15 years, and while I will never claim to know what's going on in these negotiations, I am quite comfortable with my level of knowledge of the processes involved in complex multi-party negotiations in which the resolution of federal litigation is a key point.

atm you wrote that, there was a few files in there. now its empty. good to know they are actually working on something + another tracert

Out of curiosity, has this deal with pokerstars even been confirmed? Besides from a lousy internet site or someone claiming to have inside info?

I don't get what the big deal is about those web addys.... care to elaborate?

Hood wrote a good post about this awhile back. I'm not going to dig it up for you but it should be easy enough to search for.

No idea what this means apart from the fact that they worked on it today/yest.

As an internet nobody I'm sure you're basing all that on your decades of experience with hundred million dollar deals with the US DOJ. Not just on baseless assumptions you've made about million dollar deals with the US DOJ.

Stuff gets leaked. It happens all the time. Get over it.

Are those even real full tilt web addys? I have never seen or heard of those before. Maybe that's why I'm so confused right now about this being a big deal.

Isnt this page new?

It really doesn't though. This is not the playground. There are only a handful of people at Pokerstars involved in any sort of negotiations. Those people have massive reasons and motivations to be tight lipped. Even in regular business acquisitions people are on a need to know basis. The idea that someone who is actual in the room is leaking details is 99.99% unlikely. That anyone outside of that group has more than just a basic understanding of what is going on is 99.99% unlikely.

It is funny that people who have no clue what they are talking about and has never sat at anything more powerful than a break room table is going to attack someone who clearly at least has a working knowledge of how business and negotiations work.

Why do so many of you Pokertards keep popping off about business issues you know you know nothing about?

the url now redirects to the full website on my end.

Simply means that there is either an index file in there now that redirects or the .htaccess file is set up to redirect to fulltiltpoker.com So someone was working with it today.

can i get cliffs for today please?

One or two china posts.No new news,nothing happened,a bit like yesterday and the day before except i keep checking.

It was going to the the website for me a few hours ago after going to the file list yesterday, but now it links to the file list again.