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View Poll Results: Who will win the Durrrr Challenge II?

Tom "Durrrr" Dwan

1,577 41.89%

Daniel "Jungleman12" Cates

2,188 58.11%

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08-31-2010 , 10:49 PM

#2301

Rusemandingo

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^ If youre 50/50 on a $100 pot with 2$ rake, you have more equity than if you have 50/50 in a $100 pot with $4 rake, no?

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08-31-2010 , 10:52 PM

#2302

DevinLake

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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

^ If youre 50/50 on a $100 pot with 2$ rake, you have more equity than if you have 50/50 in a $100 pot with $4 rake, no?

I think he's just being a technical nit in saying that your equity is your % chance of winning the pot, which is not affected by the rake. Whereas, your EV is what is effected.

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08-31-2010 , 11:25 PM

#2303

gaurangpatel

journeyman

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 237

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Originally Posted by CliffLee

What do people think the blog means in terms of the next session?

The blog could be interpreted that they will play before the WSOPE, then take a break for 3 weeks for the WSOPE and play again once its finished. Though the blog could suggest that they won't play now for the next 3 weeks.

Thoughts?

wsop europe starts september 14 so i doubt they are going 2 weeks early, maybe in a week

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08-31-2010 , 11:29 PM

#2304

prescottburgess

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poker pros itt

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08-31-2010 , 11:44 PM

#2305

fishdonkey

old hand

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Originally Posted by DevinLake

I think he's just being a technical nit in saying that your equity is your % chance of winning the pot, which is not affected by the rake. Whereas, your EV is what is effected.

I guess so, and that makes him look pretty stupid.

More rake = the players have less equity. Equity does not mean "your % chance of winning the pot".

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08-31-2010 , 11:53 PM

#2306

chicken10der

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Originally Posted by fishdonkey

Equity does not mean "your % chance of winning the pot".

that's exactly what it means.

you're trying to say equity and EV mean the same thing. they do not.

equity = win%
EV = equity * potsize

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09-01-2010 , 12:22 AM

#2307

fishdonkey

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,883

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Originally Posted by chicken10der

that's exactly what it means.

not even close

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09-01-2010 , 12:36 AM

#2308

RayRoss87

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Originally Posted by chicken10der

that's exactly what it means.

you're trying to say equity and EV mean the same thing. they do not.

equity = win%
EV = equity * potsize

equity and expected value are synonymous. equity is the amount of the pot that is "owed" to you. in poker, ev is your expected monetary return over a sample size. they just state the same things differently when referring to poker.

so if you are a 75% favorite to win a pot of $100, your equity is $75 and your expected return over any sample size will always be $75.

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09-01-2010 , 12:53 AM

#2309

DaFool

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This thread -

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09-01-2010 , 01:02 AM

#2310

2slick

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,592

yeah, but what about durrrr's equity?

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09-01-2010 , 01:18 AM

#2311

loc2k

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 72

equity = ev
% win = pot-irrespective equity

colloquially both equity and ev seem to express some share (expectation) of the pot

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09-01-2010 , 01:22 AM

#2312

KUR0SH

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 676

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Originally Posted by texan1382

No. I think Jungleman has an edge, but it's certainly not a massive edge like that. I don't know if either Jungleman or Durrrr could crush even a 5/10 HU reg for that winrate.

...??????joking, just trying to throw out a dumb question like everyone else.

This current argument is pretty dumb and not funny, just end it already.

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09-01-2010 , 01:23 AM

#2313

jfresh

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this is the worst thread ever

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09-01-2010 , 01:31 AM

#2314

BANGARANG

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anyone confirm or deny whether it's true that they won't be playing for 3 weeks?

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09-01-2010 , 01:46 AM

#2315

ArcadianSky

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Originally Posted by fishdonkey

More rake = the players have less equity. Equity does not mean "your % chance of winning the pot".

wtf

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09-01-2010 , 01:53 AM

#2316

TeddyKGB45

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might as well move this thread to uNL

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09-01-2010 , 02:13 AM

#2317

fishdonkey

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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky

wtf

your equity is your share of something.

if your share is a % of that something, and that something becomes smaller, your equity becomes smaller. it's elementary. there are no ifs or buts about it. whoever disagrees with this doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. defining equity as "percent chance to win" is laughable.

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09-01-2010 , 02:28 AM

#2318

DiggertheDog

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Originally Posted by TeddyKGB45

might as well move this thread to uNL

uNL rocks.

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09-01-2010 , 02:32 AM

#2319

irishguy

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 250

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Originally Posted by fishdonkey

Yeah today I was playing a hand, allin pre, I was a 55% to 43% favourite to win - the house rake had 2% equity, they scooped the pot, FML

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09-01-2010 , 02:37 AM

#2320

e i pi

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Why is everyone saying isildur1 is the best at hu nl? He got completely picked apart by team card runners and busted his roll in like 1 session. If he was so good then why didn't he readjust?

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09-01-2010 , 02:40 AM

#2321

chinamaniac

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Originally Posted by e i pi

Why is everyone saying isildur1 is the best at hu nl? He got completely picked apart by team card runners and busted his roll in like 1 session. If he was so good then why didn't he readjust?

Or reload and PWN

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09-01-2010 , 02:43 AM

#2322

Lana_Lang

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,988

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Originally Posted by e i pi

Why is everyone saying isildur1 is the best at hu nl? He got completely picked apart by team card runners and busted his roll in like 1 session. If he was so good then why didn't he readjust?

nice level, not only the "aww i am a tard and dont know it was PLO..." to the "he lost his roll in 1 session, they mustve figured him out!!!1!!11", as stated before and shown in so many other occasions a 42 bi downswing(well he started buying in deep after a while) 6tabling another super aggro in PLO ain't that big of a deal(well big deal lifewise obv... not superuncommon pokerwise).

I CANT RESTRAIN MYSELF TO TYPE THIS **** WHEN I KNOW ITS A LEVEL, BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS A SLIGHT CHANCE IT ISNT, FML.

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09-01-2010 , 02:58 AM

#2323

solstice10

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I'm so sad. I really wanted Durrrr to run away with this one. I hope he will recover and win it.

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09-01-2010 , 03:09 AM

#2324

wonderwall

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 174

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Originally Posted by harangutang

FLUSH DRAW 37% to win x 2 = 74% TO WIN WITH RIT COME ON GUYS

cliffs: FLUSH DRAWS

you forgot to carry the zero

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09-01-2010 , 03:29 AM

#2325

llGotPhshll

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 240

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Originally Posted by e i pi

Why is everyone saying isildur1 is the best at hu nl? He got completely picked apart by team card runners and busted his roll in like 1 session. If he was so good then why didn't he readjust?

PLEEEEEEEEASE be a level!! Really tilting me..

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