Will you please apologize for adding nothing of value to this thread?

What a pragmatic and common sense idea, and it's sure to p!ss off some people in this thread.

This.

The fact that he still wouldn't beat those games even with the amount of study mentioned above, is irrelevant. The man will still go to the grave claiming he never backed out of anything, even though it's totally obvious that's exactly what he did.

Many of you are assuming that due to scripts, DN wont be able to table select. For all we know, PS implementation of making sitting scripts worthless could start in a month. DN most likely would be in the know for something like this.

Also does PS have a seat reserved for him on a specific table like they did for some players on FTP? What I am getting at is that if there was, this would be a good way to for him to be guarantee a seat where fishes will sit in advance in hopes to play with him.

Ya'll are getting pro-trolled

If Dnegs wanted to win this challenge could he not just play heads up with some one he knows for 50 thousand hands and win the bet that way?

I know he would never do that as he is very reputable person. I think of Polk wants him to bet he should offer to play him heads up for the Million bucks over 50k hands and offer him 2 - 1 odds.

Why would you forfeit 10% of the bet for the same amount of hands and double the amount of time? Where is this fair? You auto do this everytime the bet goes down, unless you're crushing your first time interval.

I guess what I am saying is... You were so nonchalant on twitter... Why the negotiating if the money has already been said to be put against you?

You do realize he challenged people to live heads up matches for 500 k a match over ten years ago?

He played people at their specific game. He challenged the best in the world and he won some and lost some in that challenge.

The point is this... Daniel is willing to put up money to play this challenge and as with any bet he wants to hammer out the details.

With a million bucks on the line I think he has that right. And please don't tell me he is "goal post shifting" to make the parameters of the bet impossible to meet, because he is not. Daniel will bet big in challenges as he has proven in the past.

So what constitutes being a "winning player" at the end of the challenge? Is it merely being up (i.e. if he is up five bucks at the end of the challenge he wins)? Or does he have to hit a certain win rate like 1bb per hour in order to be considered a "winning player"?

That, like the number of hands, is something that he can offer and it is up to others whether they want to take up that bet on those terms.

Up a buck after 25K or 50K hands falls within any definition of winner.

Wtf how is ten years ago relevant? I'm not accusing him of anything except not taking the action that supposedly already exists for the bet that he proposed. He was confident, then he wasn't, now he seems confident under his new terms.

Do you really think anyone (Daniel included) thought that his original tweet meant 50k hands in 12 months or 50k hands in 24 months for 90% of the bet?

Why don't you relax.

10 years ago is relevant because it speaks to his current intentions of making a bet for large sums of money based on your skill. You contention is that how he behaves now, or what he has done ten years ago is not applicable when speaking of his motives regarding this bet. I disagree with that, as Dnegs has been a very reasonable and trusted voice int he community and his past actions establish his credibility when making such claims.


Why does it matter if Daniel takes a year to complete this bet? I am very sure making a million dollars in a year on a bet is still a nice profit.

What is the ideal situation that people envision? Daniel is setting the bet and offering, and is the dog in this situation. I see nothing wrong with " the so called dead money" setting some terms.

I think this is an inadvertent angle that I certainly hope/don't think he had thought out.

The fact is he might have bit off a little more than he can chew on this one and the gracious thing to do would be to say that he spoke out of place and let it go. Instead for a mixture of self publicity he wants to add stipulations to suit his needs and if they're met there will be more of them.

A better idea and one that would draw much better publicity is if he started a thread and let the 2+2 community set the rules... that would be a great thread that would culminate in a fun sweat with side bets going throughout the followers. He'd just have to give some basic instruction on his upcoming schedule.

I think the rules should be negotiated between the two of them and two plus two should have input into it.

Their money their rules. Why would any one agree to outside rules set by people with no financial interest in the outcome? Daniel does not owe any one an explanation or entertainment value.

I'll bet I could beat any NBA player in a 3 point shooting contest with only 2 weeks to practice. It will be 50 shots, I have to take at least 5 shots per year. If I don't take 5 shots in any given year there will be a 10% penalty.

Also it is perfectly fine if I choose days that only Reggie Evans and Jan Vesely are able to compete with me.

It matters because a year FORCES him to play less, and at more opportune times. Your claim is that Daniel is honest. I agree to a short extent, I just don't agree that Daniel is stupid. He set these terms and immediately said he was open for negotiation. In rudimentary terms, this means he sets terms beyond his comfort level in order to negotiate. Daniel knows 50k hands in 12 months is lol bum hunting. He's searching for the best deal.

Daniel is walking the tightrope between saving face and giving himself a fighting chance. I think the worst thing for him is to be exposed over a 60-90 day period by the best payers in the world. He would never live it down in poker circles and I think he is smart enough to know that.

The money absolutely does not matter.

It is tough to beat that level even if you were bum hunting. I guess my only question would be, what is the definition of bum hunting?

Looking for weaker opponents is part of playing poker. Is there enough terrible players at 25-50 that would dump money to Daniel due to his celebrity status?

The better on the other side to this could create some sort of "Bum hunting" rule or determine that he only can play the majority of his games with regulars. I am not Holdem manager guy, but perhaps guys with real fishy stats could be off limits for Daniel.

Lol @ 25k hands in 6 months. Hell I play 25k hands in a month and I work full time.

I was playing 60k hands of zoom a month on my iPhone on my way to work

....and I don't even live that far from the office.

OK, so before we go further, in the spirit of integrity I wanted to reveal the special trick I have up my sleeve. I will be using whats called a "HUD" which stands for Heads Up Display. It's a software program that will track your stats as well as the stats of your opponents. After sessions, I will look at those numbers and study them! I wouldn't feel right about accepting this bet if I didn't come clean with that part. I imagine some of my opponents at those stakes have also likely heard of these programs, and I checked with PokerStars, they ARE legal. It also tracks all the hands I've played on PokerStars as well as my win/loss records. I am quite certain that most would be rather shocked with what those results look like. I was!

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LOL

I think you'll find a lot of 25-50 regs have the same stats, so it's not going to help you much.

I think holdem manager and reviewing showdowns will help you more.

Unless ofc you're not playing like them now, in which case you need to improve a lot to get a game like theirs. So in that regard hud can help. Well not hud, but moreso stats I guess.