If someone as dumb as Auca23 can post a winning 100nl graph, then dnegs could def beat that limit.

my cash background was LHE from 2004-2006 and tiny samples of nl cash in only the softest games pre 2008. Yes I could use a hud but my knowledge of game theory could be taught to anyone in about 15 minutes. For the last part, I feel like you're just lumping Daniel into the group of "lol live pros" from 5-10 years ago when he's made a pretty compelling case (both results and testimonials from good players) that that's a ridiculous thing to do.

DN would most likely beat NL 100z without any issues.

^weird thing to read from you, aren't you losing at 50NL ?

lol stating the obvious. 5/10 live is like 010/020 on stars

So much tard in this thread.

Now apparently 100-200z on stars is a walk in the park and an 8yo can beat it. This is getting ridiculous....

The problem with arguments on the internet is that both sides exaggerate their points to "help" their case. But then the other side just ignores the actual point and focuses on the exaggeration to show that that is wrong. And back and forth until slowly everyone stops posting.

My assumptions/thoughts:
-100 zoom is not a particularly easy game to beat.
-Decent 100bb 6max players can beat 100 zoom.
-Good players who play other games can as well with little to no work.
-Daniel Negreanu is a (very very) good player who plays MTTs and has played some online cash.

My conclusion:
Daniel Negreanu can probably beat 100 zoom.

Crazy stuff!

fyp

WHAT THE **** - MOST NOOB SLOW ROLL I HAVE EVER SEEN DNEG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_vhttnKogk @29.20 WHAT THE ACTUAL ***

DAN SHACK > DAN NEGREANU

CONFIRMED DANIEL NEGREANU WOULD STRUGGLE AT 25C/50C

Dumb because I don't glorify having a stressfull job that might not exist in a few years, doesn't contribute anything to society, has minimal/no social interaction, probably is mentally unhealthy if you play a lot, is extremely repetitive, looks like unemployment on your CV, won't help you/qualify you for any future careers and only gives you a decent pay?

I don't have a graph as I was playing on a mac. My point was that I (and a lot of other mid stakes mtt players) can beat 100/200z and it's absurd to think that DN can't. I DON'T think I'm very good at zoom and I DON'T think the games are very hard to beat. If you guys seriously believe it takes someone better than DN to beat those stakes, then I'm more than happy to play like 50k hands as a prop bet even money. It should be a money grab as I haven't played 6max/9max cash for at least half a year and not more than 40k hands during the last 3 years. Any takers are more than welcome to pm me

Many don't seem to consider the rake difference between stakes, nl100 is raked about 2bb/100 more than nl200 and 3.5bb/100 more than nl400. nl100 winner has a good chance to beat nl200 just based on that. Skill jump to nl400 could be too high for marginal nl100 winner though.

MTT online pros always instantly do very well in cash game. This is a known fact.

You haven't play cash game in over a year? Yep I'll take action on your bet, let's say 100k hands of 200z in one month?

Dnegs would beat nl100 without his stars rakeback deal? ;0

Graphs or GTFO. It's that simple.

Agreed! Basically what I am forced to do in the mobile app, make that same limitation in the main client (and code it so there's no ability for automation tools to get the info to script it, for example add a random delay between clicking the table and actually showing the empty seats)... and internally they could log who consistently sits down in "superhuman" speed response time vs. normal human manual reaction time.

I see what u meant now. My apologies since I had assumed you meant a random donkament player can jump right in and beat ssnl zoom. But to what u were actually trying to say I completely agree with. A random donkament player can definitely jump right into zoom and have a positive winrate over 40k hands....

obviously there's no 0.10/0.20 nl on stars. its 0.08/0.16 or 0.10/0.25. do you even play on stars ?

please add "(Terms and conditions may apply)" to the thread title.

I walked past DN yesterday during the Barcelona EPT break whilst in the casino. Pretty sure he wouldn't have appreciated an NVG interview special on this subject but I can't help but wonder what his thoughts are about it.

Sorry NVG. Carry on

Na- how could I play stars if I dont even know what the micro stakes limits are.

DN needs to stick to MTTs.....Beating up on poor recreational players and marginal pros in WSOP events has little to no comparison to even mid stakes online cash.....DN should stick to being the big fish in his pond rather then going into the ocean where he'll get eaten alive

Agree. DN's ego seems to get the best of him at times and he starts to think he can beat any game out there. I was a reg at the higher buyin limit sitngos for a long while and well remember when DN challenged one of the top limit hu cash players to a hu match and got eaten alive. What was worst about it though was the incredibly poor plays DN was making that any experienced hu limit player would never make even at the lower stakes. Each game has (as I'm learning as I try to master hu nl hypers) its own aspects, nuances, and tricks that take time to learn. General poker knowledge and theory will only take you so far when playing tough games once you're past the micros.

Does anyone have the foggiest clue what the secret "trick up his sleeve" could be? I'm super curious lol. Whatever it is I'm thinking it's incredibly laughable.

The same trick Phil Ivey used on FTilt before Black Friday.

He's rolling out "Ultra Smal ball"