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Daniel Negreanu would bet 1 million dollars that he could beat high stakes online NLHE Daniel Negreanu would bet 1 million dollars that he could beat high stakes online NLHE

09-14-2014 , 10:15 AM
Why are people so angry at DN? Who gives a ****.

Unless you are putting up $, I can't imagine why you'd possibly get worked up over this.

I started out totally disinterested but now I hope it goes down and DN wins.
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09-14-2014 , 10:56 AM
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09-14-2014 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroPimpin View Post
What level do you think you could beat right now?
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Originally Posted by sandr1x
Perfect question. WP, sir.
+1.

What level do 2+2 think he could beat right now? 200NL?

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09-14-2014 , 11:34 AM
Why is Daniel saying that if he got action he'd do the bet? Didn't Doug Polk snap call him on the offer? I watched an interview with Polk saying that he would make the bet if they laid out rules and agreed.
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09-14-2014 , 11:43 AM
Colman also snapcalled him for the whole offer.
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09-14-2014 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Keruli
some people ITT seem to be nit-picking and artificially tightening their interpretation of the bet so much that the proposition actually becomes irrelevant to the reality of grinding/winning in poker.
imagine you want one of the currently best regs to show that he is profitable at nl5k at this exact moment. i think we can agree that one cannot get any kind of significant sample of results in one exact moment: you can't play 50k hands or whatever in one moment, you have to play them over a period of time. so the data/results one has, even if significant, are not for a point in time, but for a period. so, let's say an nl5k reg has agreed to play a certain number of hands over a certain time period. would you demand that, during this period, the reg stops studying/trying to improve his game? think about how ridiculous and different from normal practise it would be for a top HSNL player to just stop studying.
and that brings me to another point regarding results/samples that i think a lot of poker players either don't understand or ignore: no matter how big your sample, if you just look at total winrate/allinEV winrate and number of hands, then you can only approximate the average winrate over the entire sample, and not the winrate at any specific point of the sample, e.g. the start or end. in fact, on average i think that the bigger the sample, the bigger the fluctuation in momentary EV winrates/edges(during the sample) will be.

just saying that a lot of posts are stupid, not saying i think DN will be +EV at 5k or whatever.
So much this. DN can do no right on these forums lately and just gets nitpicked to death. It's a little silly given the uproar over his banning a few years back.
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09-14-2014 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Dnegs, come play with me and my friends in the $50 Zoom games. You will definitely rethink your bet.
Have the games gotten to a point where Dnegs couldnt beat $50 Zoom?
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09-14-2014 , 12:19 PM
Guys just like his olive oil and acai berry hair secret was a joke so was his statement that he could beat the online games.

If he wanted to do this Polk, Klink, Colman etc have all offered to put up the money and he clearly doesn't want to do the bet. All this has been is a publicity stunt and it feed's his ego. He's probably jerking off to this thread as we speak.
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09-14-2014 , 12:34 PM
Even as someone who doesn't play much online poker Daniel could easily play 50k hands in 6 months, it's just 8k hands/month which is (let's say 80 hands per hour) less than 100 hours a month one tabling ...
Only 4 hours a day one tabling with days off.
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09-14-2014 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Daveshoelace
Negreanu gives quite a lot of detail about his learning process and why he sets challenges like this with Jared Tendler:

http://jaredtendlerpoker.com/blog/po...niel-negreanu/

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Originally Posted by nevillegrave
This is actually worth listening to if you are thinking of betting against Daniel. Daniel 100% shows why he is successful, he certainly has a very good overall attitude towards poker, life etc.......

........but they have a really good discussion about confidence and positive thinking. While Daniel makes some good points, and a positive attitude helps in lots of aspects of life, poker is not always one of them. Tendler makes some really good points about how one of the traits of fish is they have too much optimism and IMO debunks Negreanu's attitude a bit.

Listen to it and bet against KidPoker IMO
I kinda thing Jared & Negreanu agreed with each other more than they disagreed, just Jared put across a more detailed perspective, based on his profession/research.

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09-14-2014 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by POW
Have the games gotten to a point where Dnegs couldnt beat $50 Zoom?
Yes. I don't think he could beat 10NL tbh.
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09-14-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Yes. I don't think he could beat 10NL tbh.
Lol don't be absurd, the amount of hate for dnegs is redic.
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09-14-2014 , 02:29 PM
Could he beat high stakes ply money?
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09-14-2014 , 02:37 PM
Polk, colman, etc should probably start ironing out some terms to the bet. I think 1 year time limit is much more likely to get the bet moving along than 2.
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09-14-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
Polk, colman, etc should probably start ironing out some terms to the bet. I think 1 year time limit is much more likely to get the bet moving along than 2.
I'm open to negotiation on that for sure. I'm likely going to take on this challenge whether I get action or not, and may even do it for less if a million isn't raised. I think it will be fun, challenging, difficult, and interesting.
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09-14-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
I'm open to negotiation on that for sure. I'm likely going to take on this challenge whether I get action or not, and may even do it for less if a million isn't raised. I think it will be fun, challenging, difficult, and interesting.
someone asked what level you think you could beat given your current skill set. can you answer that please.
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09-14-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
I'm open to negotiation on that for sure. I'm likely going to take on this challenge whether I get action or not, and may even do it for less if a million isn't raised. I think it will be fun, challenging, difficult, and interesting.
oh **** its happening glglglgl
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09-14-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fish Taco
Guys just like his olive oil and acai berry hair secret was a joke so was his statement that he could beat the online games.

If he wanted to do this Polk, Klink, Colman etc have all offered to put up the money and he clearly doesn't want to do the bet. All this has been is a publicity stunt and it feed's his ego. He's probably jerking off to this thread as we speak.
Right.


When interviewed about this "challenge," he said he doesn't like how games will fill up when bad players sit and he would like to see online sites discourage this. LOL. They would immediately fill up if he ever sat. He also said he would game select a lot if he actually did the challenge, so he himself would clearly be looking to bum hunt and avoid the players he knows he can't beat.
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09-14-2014 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
I'm open to negotiation on that for sure.
Fantastic, are you willing to accept a 6 month period for the completion of the bet?
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09-14-2014 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hong Kong
Fantastic, are you willing to accept a 6 month period for the completion of the bet?
Not for 50k hands. 25k hands I would do in 6 months, forfeiting 10% of the bet if I didn't complete the hands in that period, giving me another 6 months to complete. If not complete in a year, automatic loss.
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09-14-2014 , 07:37 PM
lol at fake negs

fakenegs, could u beat 10nl?
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09-14-2014 , 07:45 PM
He's not fake, he has been confirmed as authentic.
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09-14-2014 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Not for 50k hands. 25k hands I would do in 6 months, forfeiting 10% of the bet if I didn't complete the hands in that period, giving me another 6 months to complete. If not complete in a year, automatic loss.
Just stop. Please apologize on twitter.

25,000 hands is what a person puts in grinding live in 6 months.

25,000 hands is a joke to an online player in 1 month.
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09-15-2014 , 08:06 AM
idea: to alleviate the problem of lower volume in a challenge like this yielding less meaningful results, how about making the challenge about the allinEV results/winrate? there's somewhat less variance in that, making it more meaningful. (although not much if DN plays smallball at deep/ante tables )

btw, there are actually quite a few online pros who grind well under 25k hands per month, e.g. midstakes HU specialists who don't want to spend a ton of time grinding/waiting, but also some midstakes+ SH players who just play with higher intensity and/or more tableselection and thus don't mass-table.
not everyone is a zoom grinder, and not every winning grinder/pro sees himself as primarily a poker player, not everyone eat sleeps and breathes poker.
just saying.
25k hands for a challenge like this really is a joke though imo. that kind of volume only yields somewhat meaningful results if the player has either a huge winrate or loss-rate (like winning 15bb/100 or losing that much)
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09-15-2014 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by thehelper
Just stop. Please apologize on twitter.

25,000 hands is what a person puts in grinding live in 6 months.

25,000 hands is a joke to an online player in 1 month.
"Apologize"? That comment tells me all I need to know about you.

As for the "challenge/bet," he can set the terms any way he likes and it is up to others to take him up on it or not. If you don't like the terms, don't bet.
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