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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

03-06-2020 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
If anyone believes that the heat will kill the virus, I'd love to hear how the science of this works, because I sure can't make sense of it, in the context of Vegas. It's not like the virus is some singular living being that's going to wander outside, die of the heat, and then no one in Vegas will be infected.

I would envision the scenario as everyone's hanging out inside in the AC, transmitting the disease to one another just like it's anywhere else - or worse, because they're all spending their time indoors gathered together in circulated air.

I could maybe see making the argument for it being different in a destination like Hawaii where the attraction is being outside, but aside from the small % of sunbathers at the pools, that's not why most people are in Vegas. And even most of those sunbathers will spend a lot of their time in the casinos.

It's a happy thought, but I don't see the desert heat making the least bit of difference.
Google: Why is the flu seasonal

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/20...kes-in-winter/
03-06-2020 , 05:10 PM
I might be grasping at straws here, but the WSOP twitter account had a pinned tweet for months about hotel discounts at Caesars properties with a discount code. Now today they removed the tweet. Maybe a sign of upcoming cancellation announcement? Or at least not encouraging people to book accommodations while they discuss the game plan?
03-06-2020 , 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
If anyone believes that the heat will kill the virus, I'd love to hear how the science of this works, because I sure can't make sense of it, in the context of Vegas. It's not like the virus is some singular living being that's going to wander outside, die of the heat, and then no one in Vegas will be infected.

I would envision the scenario as everyone's hanging out inside in the AC, transmitting the disease to one another just like it's anywhere else - or worse, because they're all spending their time indoors gathered together in circulated air.

I could maybe see making the argument for it being different in a destination like Hawaii where the attraction is being outside, but aside from the small % of sunbathers at the pools, that's not why most people are in Vegas. And even most of those sunbathers will spend a lot of their time in the casinos.

It's a happy thought, but I don't see the desert heat making the least bit of difference.
Maybe if the heat is combined with dryness? Non-residents who come to Vegas get nosebleeds because of the dry air.

We'll see eventually once summer gets around.
03-06-2020 , 05:39 PM
One good thing for name players. They now have an excuse not to shake hands or have selfies taken with fans.
03-06-2020 , 05:46 PM
It's already unseasonably warm in Vegas, up to 79 today. That is nothing compared to the oppressive heat coming tho. Nothing could live in that.
03-06-2020 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
It's already unseasonably warm in Vegas, up to 79 today. That is nothing compared to the oppressive heat coming tho. Nothing could live in that.
Isn't it more that people who have it from colder climates will then spread it by sitting with loads of others in the air conditioned hanger for 8-10 hours per day?

I get that if you say get the virus on your hands that is then killed by the outside temprature, but once its actually in your body then it goes to work?
03-06-2020 , 06:04 PM
They just need to use swamp coolers, give out free deodorant, and we’ll be good.
03-06-2020 , 06:06 PM
SXSW canceled over coronavirus concerns

https://www.cnet.com/news/sxsw-cance...&PostType=link

"According to the event's demographics report, 26% of SXSW goers came from a total of 105 different countries outside of the US."

Sound familiar?
03-06-2020 , 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
SXSW canceled over coronavirus concerns

https://www.cnet.com/news/sxsw-cance...&PostType=link

"According to the event's demographics report, 26% of SXSW goers came from a total of 105 different countries outside of the US."

Sound familiar?
Yeah. Although a lot of the attendees of this event will be for major corporations, most of whom have done travel restrictions and are implementing WFH throughout their organisations.

Def not looking good tho. Such a huge event for the local economy of Austin too.
03-06-2020 , 06:16 PM
Really sucks for the crews working on it. A couple grand per person that will never be recovered.
03-06-2020 , 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
SXSW canceled over coronavirus concerns

https://www.cnet.com/news/sxsw-cance...&PostType=link

"According to the event's demographics report, 26% of SXSW goers came from a total of 105 different countries outside of the US."

Sound familiar?
Sure, that one stat line is comparable. But, the logistics of putting together SXSW are significantly different than putting together the WSOP. WSOP doesn’t have to book as much in advance, and it’s owned by the property that’s hosting it. Also, processing 400k refunds for SXSW vs almost none for WSOP.
03-06-2020 , 06:20 PM
Pretty significant news.

https://www.sxsw.com/2020-event-update/

I wonder if this decision will spark a series of similar announcements for U.S. based events scheduled for March. I'm unsure how municipal jurisdictions function for each state, but being that the City of Austin made the call... could that mean that the decision-making for each NCAA March Madness game would be up to each host city?
03-06-2020 , 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
SXSW canceled over coronavirus concerns

https://www.cnet.com/news/sxsw-cance...&PostType=link

"According to the event's demographics report, 26% of SXSW goers came from a total of 105 different countries outside of the US."

Sound familiar?
Was just coming to post this. Everyone laughed at Registered 2018 when he started this thread. Who is laughing now? Dude is a modern day Nostradamus.
03-06-2020 , 06:26 PM
If they cancelled SXSW you’d have to think chances are that the WSOP is ****ed
03-06-2020 , 06:27 PM
I'm still laughing at him and I'm willing to bet a couple hundred that the WSOP is not gonna be cancelled.

Anyone wanna put their money where their mouth is?
03-06-2020 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
I'm still laughing at him and I'm willing to bet a couple hundred that the WSOP is not gonna be cancelled.

Anyone wanna put their money where their mouth is?
Agreed. I really don’t see any comparison between SXSW and WSOP. Why would Caesar’s shut down WSOP but keep all table games open? They’re already dealing with lots of international visitors every single day. WSOP isn’t some insane influx of people. It’s a few thousand people. They might have to cut employees, tables, and ball rooms, but canceling doesn’t make sense.
03-06-2020 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 8gameisfun
I'm still laughing at him and I'm willing to bet a couple hundred that the WSOP is not gonna be cancelled.

Anyone wanna put their money where their mouth is?
I laugh at Registered2018 as well, but, are you offering odds, and does postponement to say November qualify ?

Consider this, the other casinos may lobby to throw the WSOP, and live poker generally, under the bus in an attempt to stay open for slots and table games.

Consider possible rules where in slots or table games no two players can sit next to each other, cards are dealt face up and nor touched by the players.

The game where that effectively shuts things down would be live poker.

It would not surprise me if that becomes the new Corona policy for Nevada operators...

I am not saying this would work for casinos, but I would not be surprised if it is tried.
03-06-2020 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Agreed. I really don’t see any comparison between SXSW and WSOP. Why would Caesar’s shut down WSOP but keep all table games open? They’re already dealing with lots of international visitors every single day. WSOP isn’t some insane influx of people. It’s a few thousand people. They might have to cut employees, tables, and ball rooms, but canceling doesn’t make sense.
"How many people enter the WSOP main event?
Through 69 events, the WSOP has already shattered the attendance record, as 154,216 entrants have played in WSOP gold bracelet events. That is already 24% above last year's record of 123,865 – and there are still 21 events remaining.Jul 2, 2019"

Some of those are counted multiple times but that doesn't count people that come just to walk around a few hours and the ones who play satty's and cash games.

It's a ton of people and form 80+ countries, just like the concert.
keeping the casino open is not the same as running a huge event like WSOP.
03-06-2020 , 06:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Tbf, this doesn’t disprove that it spreads more easily in colder temps. (I’m pretty sure humidity combined with temps actually does alter the spread). But, We’d have to wait a few weeks/months for the incubation period to catch up. Cause most of the current cases would’ve been contracted previous to that two week period.
Yeah, I realised that. It's kind of weird though how there's all this data and research on flu, and yet there's no single reason why it's seasonal. There are just correlations and probability estimates. Virus outbreaks are complicated and hard to predict, obviously.
I dread to think what will happen if the hotter weather of the summer doesn't help to reduce infection rate. Most predictions I've read have suggested that the peak of infections (accounting for 50% of all eventual cases) will last 3-9 weeks (that's for the UK, it might be shorter or longer in the US). Exactly when that peak happens depends on how well it is contained in the early stages, I guess, but if it's in April in the US, for example, I doubt that Vegas will be functioning anywhere near normal in time for the series to begin at the end of May.
03-06-2020 , 07:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
"How many people enter the WSOP main event?
Through 69 events, the WSOP has already shattered the attendance record, as 154,216 entrants have played in WSOP gold bracelet events. That is already 24% above last year's record of 123,865 – and there are still 21 events remaining.Jul 2, 2019"

Some of those are counted multiple times but that doesn't count people that come just to walk around a few hours and the ones who play satty's and cash games.

It's a ton of people and form 80+ countries, just like the concert.
keeping the casino open is not the same as running a huge event like WSOP.
If that difference effective means throwing the WSOP, and live poker generally, under the bus ... don't you think that would be viewed as a way to make some marginal revenue.

Enforcing a 3 feet between players rule is possible if it is needed to remain open and running ...
03-06-2020 , 07:03 PM
19 crew and 2 passengers tested positive on that SF cruise ship. I guess the crew works near each other for long periods so that is probably why so many of them.
03-06-2020 , 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
19 crew and 2 passengers tested positive on that SF cruise ship. I guess the crew works near each other for long periods so that is probably why so many of them.
Yep. The WSOP and the Rio is totally unique compared to other events like SXSW etc. The hours degens and dealers spend in such close proximity makes it like a cruise ship.

Good point from the other posters that the normal pit games can make adjustments that can mitigate the risk - 2 players per BJ table, 3 per Roulette, turn off 2/3rds of slot machines so people aren't sat next to each other.

The only thing I can think that the WSOP could do is make every event 6 max, even then you still have the chips and decks.
03-06-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
What the article says is that's it's not the cold per se that contributes to flu seasonality, but the lifestyle of the population during the cold winter months. Mainly, people in shared quarters with sealed windows breathing the same air.

Which is exactly what WSOP is, thousands of people in same room breathing the same air.
03-06-2020 , 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Sure, I can understand that, and hopefully we'll see the same effect with Covid. But the Vegas Covid argument seems to be that because it's a hot climate, it will have some kind of extra protection while Covid rages on elsewhere in the country, and I don't see any reason to believe that's true.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFly
What the article says is that's it's not the cold per se that contributes to flu seasonality, but the lifestyle of the population during the cold winter months. Mainly, people in shared quarters with sealed windows breathing the same air.

Which is exactly what WSOP is, thousands of people in same room breathing the same air.
Yes, exactly. And I think you can extend it to being what Vegas is - at least for a lot of the tourists.
03-06-2020 , 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
"How many people enter the WSOP main event?
Through 69 events, the WSOP has already shattered the attendance record, as 154,216 entrants have played in WSOP gold bracelet events. That is already 24% above last year's record of 123,865 – and there are still 21 events remaining.Jul 2, 2019"

Some of those are counted multiple times but that doesn't count people that come just to walk around a few hours and the ones who play satty's and cash games.

It's a ton of people and form 80+ countries, just like the concert.
keeping the casino open is not the same as running a huge event like WSOP.
How many unique players?

      
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