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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

03-05-2020 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay Why
Triton Poker "It’s with great sadness that Triton Poker announces the cancellation of the Triton Poker Super High Roller Series, Jeju."

The WSOP is a commercial event, so their priority is profits over health. The way infection rates in countries are multiplying 30%+ per day, meaning by WSOP time it will have taken a major hold in the US and become endemic, to hold the series would be irresponsible and dangerous. But it is most likely they will only cancel it if forced to by the government, as it is already obvious it should not be taking place, so the organiser's greed has overtaken their sense of proportion.

The sensible thing for the world to do is restrict movement while a cure is being found. Experts have said a cure is at least a year away, but postponing the WSOP for a year or two is far preferable to all the risks of holding it, and having the poker live comprehensibly infected by the attendees spreading it around games they play in after the series has ended.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTLou
Should WSOP go past mid-April before communicating a decision?

That's 5 weeks away.

Anyone's guess but I'd guess situation in US is worse in 5 weeks than it is now.

More closings, travel restrictions, cancellations, business interruptions all focused on reducing spread. Not the zombie apocalypse death of us all, but lots of changes to daily life.


The infection rate is about 2x+ per 7 days. In five weeks, there will probably be 5K to 10K case in the U.S., including almost every state, if not all (currently confirmed cases in 15 states).

"Cure found"? No, there will be viral treatment(s), which will be effective in some percentage of cases. And there will be a vaccine, which might be as much as 60%-70% effective. Unless this SARS-CoV-2 virus dies out from mutation or community immunity, it will become like the flu - infections and deaths every year.

But yes, restriction of movement is the best offense against mass spread of the virus until treatments, vaccine and hopefully community immunity can be achieved. Most of the spread to new locations currently traces back to travelers from Italy or Iran. As the new clusters in large cities expand, they will become new transmission centers.

I imagine the casino execs in L.V. are having conversations about the inevitability of the arrival of CoVID-19. And I imagine their conversations revolve around how to minimize their economic losses. Will they stay open as long as possible and then try to weather the fallout? Or will they close in the early stages of spread, like Macau was forced to do?

As a member of the senior population, if I had planned to attend this year's WSOP, I would be cancelling. It would be the right decision both for my own health and safety and for the moral obligation to do what I can to slow the spread.

Last edited by PokerXanadu; 03-05-2020 at 09:40 AM.
03-05-2020 , 10:40 AM
nm just delayed apparently

Last edited by SootedPowa; 03-05-2020 at 10:59 AM.
03-05-2020 , 11:35 AM
Just saw a NV update on the news. Very surprising, still no cases here.

No Confirmed Cases
14 People Tested Negative
216 Monitored but didn't develop symptoms
208 Under supervision currently
03-05-2020 , 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crane
Urine is sterile.
Fake news.

The prevalence of this belief is amazing. It is a perfect example of how something ridiculous and nonsensical can gain credence and become a widespread belief merely by being repeated over and over by the foolish and the ignorant.

The tooth Fairy does not come and take your tooth from under your pillow and leave you money. Santa Claus does not live at the North Pole. Urine is not sterile.
03-05-2020 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
It is a perfect example of how something ridiculous and nonsensical can gain credence and become a widespread belief merely by being repeated over and over by the foolish and the ignorant.
This seems very familiar. I forget what it's called though. That thing where people keep repeating stories over and over again and keep believing that it's true even though everything in the stories violate everything else in how they understand the world to operate. But because it's been imprinted on them since they were children it becomes a part of their identity so they defend it to the death. It'll come to me at some point.
03-05-2020 , 12:57 PM
First presumptive positive at a Southern Nevada VA hospital. If this follows the pattern from everywhere else in the world this is someone who's been sick for 2+ weeks, in hospital with unexplained pneumonia for 1+ week, and they finally got approval to test after everything else came back negative.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...-health-system

Last edited by Palo; 03-05-2020 at 01:11 PM.
03-05-2020 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crane
There is more bacteria in water than there is in urine.
what the hell kind of water are you drinking?
03-05-2020 , 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
Fake news.

The prevalence of this belief is amazing. It is a perfect example of how something ridiculous and nonsensical can gain credence and become a widespread belief merely by being repeated over and over by the foolish and the ignorant.

The tooth Fairy does not come and take your tooth from under your pillow and leave you money. Santa Claus does not live at the North Pole. Urine is not sterile.
I guess my doctor lied to me.
03-05-2020 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crane
I guess my doctor lied to me.
Yeah man I'd get a new doctor. Probably one from this century.
03-05-2020 , 01:42 PM
I was at Gatwick Airport in earlier, one of the busiest airports in the world, and I have never seen it so quiet. Similar with the public transport in London too; not quiet but certainly less people around than usual.

How many of the WSOP players are from outside the US - 15/20%?
03-05-2020 , 01:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Yeah man I'd get a new doctor. Probably one from this century.
In all fairness, I did a quick google search and of course the first thing pops up and says it is....
However articles underneath say it’s not.

Also they mention for decades scientists thought it was so that says something for people to believe it.


Also Patches O’Houlihan says it is.
03-05-2020 , 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crane
I guess my doctor lied to me.
I won't go so far as to say your Doctor is a fool but I will say that your Doctor is exceedingly ignorant and I would advise you to find a Health Professional that is not years and years behind current medical knowledge and practice.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gor...ither-rest-you

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957746/
03-05-2020 , 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AKyouwin
I was at Gatwick Airport in earlier, one of the busiest airports in the world, and I have never seen it so quiet. Similar with the public transport in London too; not quiet but certainly less people around than usual.

How many of the WSOP players are from outside the US - 15/20%?
2019 Main Event List of Countries Participating

The 2019 WSOP Main Event drew 8,569 entries. Players came from 87 different countries to make up this year’s field. Below is a list of those countries in order of the most participants to least.

https://www.pokernews.com/tours/wsop...ips.294916.htm

Looks like about 29% of Main Event players from outside US.
03-05-2020 , 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
2019 Main Event List of Countries Participating

The 2019 WSOP Main Event drew 8,569 entries. Players came from 87 different countries to make up this year’s field. Below is a list of those countries in order of the most participants to least.

https://www.pokernews.com/tours/wsop...ips.294916.htm

Looks like about 29% of Main Event players from outside US.
And China was the 4th largest participant ex-US. And those numbers are only the Main Event. It's probably multiples more from each of the top countries listed in the Main Event counts that show up for other scheduled bracelet events, satty's, cash games, etc.

I wonder if the WSOP has publicly available statistics on the total number of unique registrants, by country, for the WSOP as a whole, not just Main Event.
03-05-2020 , 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
I won't go so far as to say your Doctor is a fool but I will say that your Doctor is exceedingly ignorant and I would advise you to find a Health Professional that is not years and years behind current medical knowledge and practice.

https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/gor...ither-rest-you

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3957746/
I mean I'm all for science and all. But did we really need scientists to confirm that it's probably not the most hygienic practice to bathe in piss?
03-05-2020 , 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
I mean I'm all for science and all. But did we really need scientists to confirm that it's probably not the most hygienic practice to bathe in piss?
It also does no more for a Jellyfish sting than bathing the wound in water does, and it will not cure Athlete's Foot if you expel it upon your feet in the shower. Sad!

/derail
03-05-2020 , 02:59 PM
Of those poker players who succumb and die from covid19, it is same as a mouse dying from rat poison. Lungs become stiff and suffocate the patient, cardiac arrest finishes them off. Just hope you don't flop Aces and Eights on the bubble!
03-05-2020 , 03:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
No, I don't think it really is. Although, I guess I should qualify that. I suppose if one looks at this from a 100% public health-oriented point of view, and gave absolutely zero consideration to economic concerns, inconveniencing people, etc., then one could argue that pretty much all large gatherings should be cancelled around the world for several months. But I don't think there's much of an appetite for going to that extreme, nor consensus that it's necessary. Of course I'm not saying that's what you're suggesting, but to say that it's obvious it shouldn't be taking place almost 3 months out, or up to ~4 months out when we're talking about the main event, I think would put you towards the "cancel everything" end of the spectrum.

That said, the problem with waiting is that in the meantime more people make travel plans which they may not be able to cancel.

I'm not sure what the right call is or when it should be made, but I wouldn't want to be the one making it.

Edit to add: Another way to look at it - until people start showing up in Vegas for the event, there's zero health risk in not cancelling it. IE, holding off on a decision isn't necessarily putting health at risk, if the right decision from a public health perspective is made in the end. What is being put at risk if a decision is held off until the last minute, is their customers' finances, as a late decision likely costs a lot of people money from cancelled travel plans.
The problem is people don't understand the issues, so you are right, there is no appetite for banning large meetings in America, because people don't understand the benefits, but in countries where figures are higher large meetings have already been banned as people in those countries understand why it is necessary, and that will happen in America too, once people understand the dangers.

In the future they would look at people still choosing to travel around while there is no cure as crazy thinking that recklessly escalated the problem.

I guess the point is until it affects one one can't understand it. So China's shutting people approach seemed overload, but then when you see rates increasing 30% daily, you realise movement of people needs to stop until a cure is found. And if that means WSOP is cancelled for a year or two, in the long term view that is no big deal, whereas the downside of holding it this year is too large.
03-05-2020 , 03:34 PM
Another interesting stat is by state in the US. Now cases popping up in Cali and NV, in the next month if they continue to spread like in other places, I think WSOP will have to do something.

A combination of lower attendance from Foreign countries because of fear and Airlines shutting down lots of flights and the top 2 states in the US for attendance having a spread of the virus(pending).
Actually the top 4 states!


Top Ten States Represented in 2019 WSOP Main Event
Rank State Entries
1 California 1,057
2 Nevada 698
3 Florida 540
4 New York 478
5 Texas 442
6 New Jersey 240
7 Illinois 236
8 Massachusetts 194
9 Ohio 169
10 Pennsylvania 157

https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...hics-34775.htm
03-05-2020 , 03:50 PM
https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/local...faf13fedc.html

"The Southern Nevada Health District confirmed the first novel coronavirus case in Clark County Thursday morning.

SNHD said the Clark County resident tested presumptively positive for COVID-19."



03-05-2020 , 03:56 PM
Urine therapy:not dirty but certainly not conventional .

In any case the doctor is certainly not a fool .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy
03-05-2020 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by carlo
Urine therapy:not dirty but certainly not conventional .

In any case the doctor is certainly not a fool .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy
Urine therapy is just taking the piss.
03-05-2020 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by carlo
Urine therapy:not dirty but certainly not conventional .

In any case the doctor is certainly not a fool .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine_therapy
Urine therapy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This article is part of a series on Alternative and pseudo‑medicine"

"the application of human urine for medicinal or cosmetic purposes, including drinking of one's own urine and massaging one's skin, or gums, with one's own urine"

"No scientific evidence exists to support any beneficial health claims of urine therapy"

Last edited by 2pairsof2s; 03-05-2020 at 04:59 PM.
03-05-2020 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SootedPowa
The UK will now only update on new Coronavirus cases once a week, and no longer will the location of them be provided.
FWIW, they seem to have changed their minds, apparently due to public outcry. (See a later tweet that says regional data will still be available daily). The government obviously doesn't want certain towns to be full of panic-stricken people buying too much bog roll, or setting fire to their local Chinese takeaways, but people have a right to know about the dangers in their backyards.
Interestingly, in Singapore, there is a popular virus-mapping app that provides the GPS location of infected cases right down to the specific streets they live on. I believe that dissemination of that kind of surveillance info might be illegal in Europe due to data protection and privacy laws.
03-05-2020 , 05:31 PM
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