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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

06-15-2020 , 04:16 PM

06-15-2020 , 05:29 PM
Remember that florida scientist who got fired for not fudging the florida covid numbers? Well she has been crunching the data since then

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ired-scientist
06-15-2020 , 08:12 PM
Because of recent uptick in the numbers

06-15-2020 , 08:16 PM
06-15-2020 , 08:38 PM
"Being made redundant" is my favorite British idiom.

I guess with the buffet you'll have a menu and can just order unlimited food? That sounds fun!
06-15-2020 , 08:46 PM
once that Arizona heat kicks in this thing will be dead guys!

06-15-2020 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
once that Arizona heat kicks in this thing will be dead guys!

Better stay inside forever!!
06-15-2020 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
Better stay inside forever!!
It's a shame that staying inside forever and opening without heeding medical recommendations are the only options you have in some states. Other jurisdictions have been able to do this unusual thing where they let medical experts lead their decisions.
06-15-2020 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
Better stay inside forever!!
Ah, classic flubro. I do agree we shouldn't stay inside, but practicing caution shouldn't be mocked. We need to try and keep hospitals from getting over inundated. Or else it won't just be COVID patients dying.
06-15-2020 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Good for them, but it’s not really a buffet if customers don’t serve themselves?

To me that sounds just like serving customers food that’s not made to order. Which sounds even less appealing to me than a regular buffet.
06-15-2020 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Trooper
Better stay inside forever!!
The mods are attempting to keep this thread free from idiotic hit-and-run posts of this kind. If you have something of substance to contribute to this thread, please do so. If not, please refrain from these types of posts in the future.

Thank you.
06-16-2020 , 11:19 AM
Multi Table Tournament at Venetian. 5 handed shootout format. 2nd round 16 players play 4 handed and then the final table with 4.

06-16-2020 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Good for them, but it’s not really a buffet if customers don’t serve themselves?

To me that sounds just like serving customers food that’s not made to order. Which sounds even less appealing to me than a regular buffet.
Plus how can I tell the server I'd like crab legs stacked as high as you can carry. I'd be embarrassed to order some weird combo like fish, mac n cheese, and jello. The whole point of buffets is so you can do stupid stuff you normally wouldn't do in a regular restaurant.
06-16-2020 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Ah, classic flubro. I do agree we shouldn't stay inside, but practicing caution shouldn't be mocked. We need to try and keep hospitals from getting over inundated. Or else it won't just be COVID patients dying.
I mean that was a fine theory to be cautious the first time around, but:

- the extra capacity we created here was unused
- coronaplague doesn't hospitalise a vast majority of the population
- a large enough proportion of those who might actually be at risk are in the sorts of settings that have been subject to coronaplague outbreaks already
06-16-2020 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Multi Table Tournament at Venetian. 5 handed shootout format. 2nd round 16 players play 4 handed and then the final table with 4.

Anyone know what the payout structure on something like this would be?
06-16-2020 , 11:59 AM
I am pretty sure in a shootout format, you are in the money when you win your table. So 80 players at 16 tables would pay 16 spots. Then final table (4) would be next jump. Then 3rd, 2nd and 1st.

Here is an old structure sheet from WSOP with 1050 players. 9 handed I think.

https://www.wsop.com/tournaments/pay...of=149503&rr=5
06-16-2020 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
I am pretty sure in a shootout format, you are in the money when you win your table. So 80 players at 16 tables would pay 16 spots. Then final table (4) would be next jump. Then 3rd, 2nd and 1st.

Here is an old structure sheet from WSOP with 1050 players. 9 handed I think.

https://www.wsop.com/tournaments/pay...of=149503&rr=5
I understand that’s how it works for a 9-handed shootout. It just seems like the structure may need to be changed if the first table is 5-handed.

I’ve always hated shootout structures when there are significant payout jump for all places at the final table. The ICM implications for this strucuture are completely absurd. They should pay these out more like a SNG (e.g. same payout for 4th-9th, increases only for 3rd, 2nd, and 1st).
06-16-2020 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
They should pay these out more like a SNG (e.g. same payout for 4th-9th, increases only for 3rd, 2nd, and 1st).
Isn't that basically what parisron said?

You're asking for 4th+ with the same payout, he said he thinks 5th+ get the same payout.

Buy-in is $250 of which $40 goes towards entry and staff fees, so 84% of the buy-in goes to the price pool. The format requires them to pay 20% of players, with 15% getting the min cash. That leaves them with a lot of options to make it as top heavy as they want to. There'd be a huge difference between min cash being 2x and 3x buy-in when it comes to final table payouts.
06-16-2020 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
I mean that was a fine theory to be cautious the first time around, but:

- the extra capacity we created here was unused
- coronaplague doesn't hospitalise a vast majority of the population
- a large enough proportion of those who might actually be at risk are in the sorts of settings that have been subject to coronaplague outbreaks already
We're certainly flirting with ICU capacities here in AZ. https://twitter.com/Garrett_Archer
06-16-2020 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Isn't that basically what parisron said?

You're asking for 4th+ with the same payout, he said he thinks 5th+ get the same payout.

Buy-in is $250 of which $40 goes towards entry and staff fees, so 84% of the buy-in goes to the price pool. The format requires them to pay 20% of players, with 15% getting the min cash. That leaves them with a lot of options to make it as top heavy as they want to. There'd be a huge difference between min cash being 2x and 3x buy-in when it comes to final table payouts.
Sorry for the confusion...my second paragraph I’m referring to shoot-outs with a 9 or 10 person final table. (Which is the structure parisron posted.)

With a 4-person second table and final table, they probably should make all tables winner-take-all. I.e. the only pay-out tiers would be:
1st
2nd-4th
5th-16th

(I could see them increasing between 1st and 2nd, but if you do this, why not also have a seperate payout tier for 5th-8th?)

With respect to this tournament specifically, I’m curious what the mincash is if 15% of all players are getting the mincash.
06-16-2020 , 01:59 PM
#11 has some details. If at least 48 players then the top two players from Each table in round two are ITM, for total of 8 players max ITM. If less than 48 then 4 ITM.

06-16-2020 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
#11 has some details. If at least 48 players then the top two players from Each table in round two are ITM, for total of 8 players max ITM. If less than 48 then 4 ITM.
Interesting...I wonder why they are doing this and not just a regular 5-max tournament with an 80-player cap.

I’ll a little skeptical about how much interest this will get given that the payouts will be so stingy. Who wants to win their table, play deep into a second table, and still fail to cash in a daily tournament?
06-16-2020 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Interesting...I wonder why they are doing this and not just a regular 5-max tournament with an 80-player cap.
I think social distancing is way easier to handle with the shootout format. You don't have to balance tables which means players don't have to move themselves and chips and staff doesn't have to worry about handling that.

Usually one of the reasons against doing any shootout style events is that card rooms like to use as little staff as possible and get tables open to use them for other tournaments or cash games. That's not that big of a concern right now.
06-17-2020 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
As for locals, if they work in the casino industry, it may not be possible to "hide" from tourists.
Oh I agree completely on that point. What I meant is that if you're an older person with some health conditions, but you're spending your retirement years in the suburbs and at the golf course, or you live in a detached house in the 'middle of nowhere', you can avoid the built-up areas and casinos. Living in a small town in Arizona or Nevada is completely different to living in an apartment block or house in Queens, The Bronx, or Manhattan (i.e. places where close social contact is almost unavoidable and catching a bus/train to work is common).
The (younger) people that live and work in Phoenix, Scottsdale, and Vegas, however, are gonna find it very hard to avoid infected people in the next few weeks/months, as the case numbers are increasing so rapidly.
I think it's crazy that there are people in their sixties (some without masks) going to casinos or bars in the southern states right now. It's those kind of people that will be filling up the ITUs in the coming weeks.
Speaking of which, Arizona's case numbers today - and those of half a dozen other states - were record-breaking, with almost 2400 new cases, and it's been reported that in one hospital in Tucson, 19 out of its 20 ICU beds are being used by Covid patients.
The craziest stat I heard today was that Arizona currently has more confirmed daily cases per head of population than Brazil or Peru! There are a lot of sick people out there, so anyone that wants to minimize their risks should definitely "hide" if it's possible for them to do so.
06-17-2020 , 02:49 AM
I played some 4/8 O8B today. There were tons of old people in the room, my table and two certainly 80+ men not wearing masks.

      
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