Great overall post, just want to nitpick this part. I'm guessing you are referencing the University of Hong Kong study (Chin, et al.), which found that "the time for virus inactivation was reduced to 5 mins." So sure, technically the virus "survived," but only in the same way that human beings survive the gas chamber.

But again, I'm totally nitpicking. Your overall point is 100% correct as a response: turning up the furnace, or relying on even the hottest summer weather will be largely ineffective. Put another way, the kinds of temperatures required to kill the virus would also kill us.

Of course not.

This growing need people seem to have to dismiss opinions based simply on who is posting them is bizarre. This strikes me as pretty compelling, regardless of who said it:


I don't disagree with this, but for plenty of reasons aside from the scary possibility that there is no immunity.

The WHO advice strikes me as cautionary. Basically, it's saying that since they haven't got enough evidence to unequivocally say that being infected once means you definitely can't be infected again, the idea of "Immunity passports" is premature. But as Nick mentions, it would certainly *seem* that what evidence we have points pretty clearly away from a whole lot of reinfections going on.

Also I mean there has to be some probability like 90% we think this otherwise we will just wait for a long time. And I'm coming from a position of privilege where I could ride out this for the rest of my life and be fine vs. I know several people who are struggling to pay their rent.

So the effects of waiting for me are much smaller than others

Don't be so sure. We don't know what's going happen. Anyone can get sick anytime, and the food deliveries can stop suddenly and then we're all in the same boat.

Not necessarily. A quantity of water will hit us no matter what (vaccinne or tx notwithstanding) so the idea is to make sure it's more akin to a long, slow high tide than a tsunami.

Wow, just looked into this... that's pretty crazy. (I'm assuming you are referring to the case of Bianca Dobroiu. If not, please disregard.)

The two things that strike me:

a) she has gone almost two full months since her diagnosis, and has largely been symptom-free for a good chunk of that time (I can't tell the exact span from any of the news stories).

b) Dobroiu lives with her mother, who reportedly has tested negative three times throughout that isolation. (Of course, this could just mean the household has been extremely diligent about protection and disinfecting the whole time.)

My immediate thought was that the CoVID-19 test simply detects the presence of the RNA, and thus, they keep finding the same molecular material that got her sick in the first place. It's still there, just no longer active. Or alternatively, her body produced the antibodies to fight off the virus, and the tests now routinely detect those remaining immunoglobulins after all of these weeks.

Not 20 seconds later, I dismissed my own reaction as it makes zero sense. Otherwise, we would see Dobroiu's results in many, many people.

Anyway, fun stuff. Ultimately, the sheer number of humans on this planet suggests there will always be outliers (like the guy who not only survived a horrific car accident, but did not break a bone, leading scientists to discover an LRP5 mutation called sclerosteosis, which make a tiny fraction of the population virtually "unbreakable.")

Dobroiu must be yet another one of those rare human specimens, I guess. (And based on her Instagram, she's a rare specimen in a number of different ways. )

Got 10 years of Mountain House and shelter in the middle of nowhere Nevada with a bomb shelter in the basement.

Also still have hundreds of rolls of toilet paper.

If I somehow go through all of that (haven't touched the Mountain House since food supply chain is fine now) and the world is still destroyed there's really no point to living.

you quoted only the last part so it looks like I said this but no problem.

The professor that top supreme health leader of sweden said that.
Yeah thats how he meant it that they are doing everything they can to protect the older ones and at the same time try not to invade peoples freedom.

but yea we have to deal with the quantity of water as you say it, and we have to be clever how we take so we dont eat to much ****. (eating ****/ is surflanguage for getting pounded by the wave)

Ok sorry for that. I tend to jump the gun.
What I meant to say is that I dont like poker player belitteling themselves as pests to the casinos. We should be pround of what we bring to the table.
And demanding some apreciation I think is overdue of vegas. And to my knowlege and this would be emberassing if I m wrong here, there is little "unioining" or channeling of poker players needs.

I mean how many Las Vegas legens do people know? I think the poker players have contributed a lot to vegas. Binion, Chip Reese, Doyle, and all these casino owners some were mobsters I know but they played poker too.

Ok sorry for the derail... we are not the bees.

lol, my friend you cracked me up good. And you are 99% right! except Celine Dion, yea ok but she is a great singer! and pretty too.

yes the virus travels inside the body which only heats up when you get a fever. But most people dont show any symptoms so no fevers and the virus stays inside them safe and gets spread.
looking at florida the heat outside has other than thought close to no effect. Only stuff that is exposed to the sun. (not humans!) because the sun doesnt reach the lungs)

Little is too technical for my taste. Anyhow by your own expert suggestion, lowering the air temp less will cause a de facto increase in humidity. Great. That’s what I would expect.

This has been discussed in this thread. The answer is not at all. Gaming isn’t even king in Vegas anymore. And poker is about as low as you get on the gaming ladder.

What would be the legal implications if Bellagio opened their poker room and players got infected and was traced back to the room? I mean, that and what you wrote that poker is not a money maker for these casinos and you can probably bet that most poker rooms will not be opening for a long time. Do you see it differently?

There you go again having a fictitious conversation with someone else (real or made-up, I don’t know) under the guise or replying to me. The last time you did this I threw shade your way and was warned. I won’t do that again. But, please, for the love of all that is good and holy, if you’re going to reply to something I said, please stick to things I say and not something else.

In any case, your vaunted intuition aside, we are not talking about what sort of environment makes for the best host for a virus. We are talking about whether the ambient environment helps or hurts virus viability. If you sneeze, is the virus in those droplets going to survive longer if the air is 60 or 80 degrees Please do a quick search for “the effects of temperature on virus viability”. You will find lots of stuff on how higher temperatures reduce virus viability. Sunlight too. But these things can easily be separated in studies. I challenge you to find a source that has studied this and found that Coronavirus specifically, or even viruses in general survive longer when exposed to warmer temperatures.

Virus molecules die at room temperature too. It’s not about, what temperature does it have to be to kill viruses. It’s about whether higher temperatures make them more or less viable.

And according to McFly, higher temps make viruses more viable. I continue to ask for a single source, other than your 100% agreement, that backs his assertion up.

most people who go to vegas couldn't tell you who any of those poker players are
LOl@thinking vegas is screwed if poker players stopped going

I see the California card rooms opening up before any Vegas poker rooms.

agree with this completely

I imagine the legalities of liability are something which will be ironed out as businesses re-open. I doubt there will be clear guidance from the justice department. And I’m sure it will happen that someone gets sick and somebody will sue somebody. That is the nature of life in our litigious society. If I had to guess, venues will largely be protected so long as the follow CDC guidelines to any reasonable degree. But we’ll have to see what the courts think.

As for the rest, I would speculate that venues which were on the brink of getting rid of poker, might use this as an excuse to do so. But for those with viable poker operations, I see no reason why they would treat it any differently from any other table game. I also feel like there is a chance cash poker can come back faster than regular table games. There are lots of people out there who try to make a living playing poker. Not as many who try to make a living playing other table games. I feel like casinos are going to try to do anything to get bodies on the premises early on. That might make poker even more attractive, even if it isn’t as profitable a game normally.

i wouldn't be surprised to see parking fees done away with when there aren't big events at tmobile
some casinos already have taken them out and business is going to be way down

I'd be shocked if resort fees were completely done away with but you're going to see no resort fee "specials" a lot more often when the hotels are half empty

Vegas has some of the lowest average hotel rates of any major city. But it’s an insult to you that they are not even lower?

Lowering the temperature raises the relative humidity as it would be a higher percentage of the amount it could hold if it were saturated, but the amount of water vapor in the air remains the same (unless the unlikely event occurs that the temperature is actually lowered past the dew point and some of the water vapor condenses).

Conversely, air will hold the same amount of water vapor that was in the cooler air as you raise the temperature, and the warmer air has the capability of holding more water vapor because of its higher saturation point.

Out of curiosity, I was looking into the feasibility of a Vegas trip in early June.

Even if the hotels are entirely open, it looked almost impossible just due to the plane schedules. There’s almost no nonstops flights to Vegas out of the four major airports that are within a four hour drive of me (normally there would be a dozen such flights out of each of them). And checking the flight records of the schedules that might be possible, it looks like at least half the flights still on the schedule are getting cancelled. Getting a flight with a layover would be way too risky in terms of getting stranded at an airport between legs, or missing the second leg due to a cancellation or delay in the first leg.

There’s really no way to plan a plane trip to Vegas right now until the airlines restore and stabilize their schedules.