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Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread) Coronavirus has caused the postponement of the WSOP 2020! (Coronavirus quarantine thread)
View Poll Results: Will the Corona Virus will alter their plans to attend WSOP this Summer (if it's not canceled)
Never planned on attending.
177 32.48%
Definitely wont attend.
112 20.55%
Probably wont attend.
93 17.06%
Probably will attend.
71 13.03%
Definitely will attend.
92 16.88%

03-27-2020 , 08:25 AM
If all goes well, this will prove to be an over-reaction:

I don't want to consider what it might look like in there if things don't go well.

EDIT/Fact-check: The picture is actually of a conference hall in Madrid, Spain. The ExCeL centre in London will soon look very similar though. It was originally scheduled to hold a Wedding Show in early April, followed - in an horrific irony - by the International Disaster Management Exhibition, and Emergency Show 2020 (where ambulances and hospital gear are exhibited).

Last edited by ArtyMcFly; 03-27-2020 at 08:55 AM.
03-27-2020 , 09:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
In addition, 1.5 million 'especially vulnerable' people like me are receiving daily text messages reminding us not to leave home at all for 90.
I think I speak for most of 2p2, and surely those that appreciate your input, when I say stay safe
Within this unabated troll fest and the legions of bad poker advice you always add some rational and thoughtful input
03-27-2020 , 09:52 AM
Chinese authorities re-shutter movie theaters.

https://variety.com/2020/biz/enterta...de-1203546923/

"Hours after municipal authorities in Shanghai gave more than 200 cinemas the green light to re-open Saturday, national-level Chinese authorities on Friday ordered all theaters throughout the country shut again, likely due to concerns over renewed coronavirus threat."
03-27-2020 , 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nutella virus
I think I speak for most of 2p2, and surely those that appreciate your input, when I say stay safe
Within this unabated troll fest and the legions of bad poker advice you always add some rational and thoughtful input

I'd concur. mcfly is top top.
03-27-2020 , 10:04 AM
Can social distancing really work? I will admit it has to help, but there are drawbacks.

One of the most importing things in our lives right now is food. This is one of the biggest social networks we have at the moment. You go to a grocery store and not only do you come in contact with the other customers but you also come in contact with the check-out clerk who in turn has come in contact with hundreds (maybe even thousands) of other customers.

That's about the only place I go right now where people congregate. We have to eat. It seems to me like it's a good place to catch this virus and in turn spread it around to ther people.

I'd wear a mask and gloves to the store but there are none to be found.
03-27-2020 , 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crane

You go to a grocery store and not only do you come in contact with the other customers but you also come in contact with the check-out clerk who in turn has come in contact with hundreds (maybe even thousands).
Don't you have instacart or grocery gateway or whichever grocery deliver app in your area?
03-27-2020 , 10:23 AM
I tried getting my food delivered but it was conpletely booked everywhere, so I sent my brother to do my groceries
03-27-2020 , 10:25 AM
Yeah ours in on like a 5-6 day delay but worth it
03-27-2020 , 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTLou
I'd concur. mcfly is top top.
Yeah, don't mess with McFly. McFly is Darth Vader who comes to you from the planet Vulcan. Well either that, or maybe he is just an Irish bug.

Uh oh....... there it goes again: the 1950's song "Mr. Sandman ............ bring me a dream............"
03-27-2020 , 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dhubermex
Chinese authorities re-shutter movie theaters.

https://variety.com/2020/biz/enterta...de-1203546923/

"Hours after municipal authorities in Shanghai gave more than 200 cinemas the green light to re-open Saturday, national-level Chinese authorities on Friday ordered all theaters throughout the country shut again, likely due to concerns over renewed coronavirus threat."
This news reminds me of the group of the "Saving Private Ryan" WW2 soldiers led by Tom Hanks in Germany who hear other depressing news by Hitler over the loudspeaker announcing "The statue of liberty is kaput". Afterwards, Hanks simply responds, "Well, that is disconcerting."
03-27-2020 , 02:11 PM


April
15.3%
May
40.7%
June
30.6%
2021
13.4%
03-27-2020 , 02:46 PM
Better poll would be Date NV Gaming Revenue returns to historic norms

June
Q3 2020
Q1 2021
Q3 2021
Never

Thats what matters to local economy and operators
03-27-2020 , 03:01 PM
lol @ people thinking casinos will open in May. Why is 2021 an option, but not second half of 2020?
03-27-2020 , 03:08 PM
Caesars properties and others already taking reservation for April 17th, I think Sometime in late April has a chance for them to open and by sometime in May very much so.
03-27-2020 , 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
Caesars properties and others already taking reservation for April 17th, I think Sometime in late April has a chance for them to open and by sometime in May very much so.
Yeah 3 weeks should be a booming time...for the virus ofc not vegas
03-27-2020 , 03:39 PM
Italy with some devastating daily numbers again today, their highest daily death total with 900+ today. It appears their daily case numbers may have stopped spiking, but they certainly haven't begun to trend downwards yet.

Very scary to think what is yet to come in USA (along with other nations). It's startling to see so many people on 2+2/facebook/etc. adopting the President's mindset that we have this thing "under control" and can begin to re-opening the nation. Thinking things will re-open in as early as April is so alarming to me.

This thing hasn't even truly begun yet in America...at all. And because of how big America is geographically, we will have to deal with this virus much much longer than other nations. We are still a month away from the US's *first* peak (New York, California) and by the time that peak wraps up after 4 weeks of hell (mid-May), we will run right into our second peak (Detroit, New Orleans, etc.) and then into our third peak, fourth peak, etc.).

In 2-4 weeks from now we will be looking at 10,000 deaths EVERY SINGLE DAY. Every single day for 2-3 months. I think people asking about WSOP/casinos reopening/sporting events/etc. truly don't grasp the scope and length of this battle. We are in Day 14 out of 150 with much worse yet to come.

I think the "big picture" of this thing is that America as a nation will reach a collective level of emotional and economic despair that we've never seen. I think by May and June the public attitude will be completely shifted away from things such as sports/casinos/etc. and our national focus will be on getting our nation healthy and recovered and that may take 6+ months. I think large public gatherings will be seen as a threat to national health for many months and I wouldn't be surprised if we continue to see these 2-week bans continually extended all throughout the summer in various states. Yes I understand there is guaranteed economic despair by continuing to close up the country and leaving it closed, but I worry the magnitude of the virus in America and the death totals here will begin to squash and hopes of getting this country up and running anytime soon.

I think a lot of false hope came out this week with news of China "re-opening" along with Trump's push to restart the US by Easter. China attacked this virus much differently than we did, and their economy operates differently. Trump has adopted the role of an optimistic cheerleader, not a science-based or math-based realist. We can not compare our trajectory to the "success" stories of China and South Korea.
03-27-2020 , 03:43 PM
So the President gets sick. So does the VP since they decided not to send Pence to Undisclosed Location because Trump is dumb.

While they are sick, the Democrats have a window to appoint whoever they want as Speaker of the House before both die.
03-27-2020 , 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
Caesars properties and others already taking reservation for April 17th, I think Sometime in late April has a chance for them to open and by sometime in May very much so.
If this is true then either this is ridiculously aggro for Vegas, or they expect significantly reduced numbers and they've been adequately subsidized by bailout money to justify reopening at reduced capacity, or everything we know about the virus and how it's transmitted is a total sham, or we're all already infected so who cares, and/or they have a plan for continuity of gaming that doesn't involve 3 handed poker games, but something resembling everyone sits in front a screen for a virtual but still sort of real in-person gambling experience, and everyone's 2 meters apart so it's all good.

It is obnoxious how many competing narratives there are. Trying to decipher them all is like staring at a wall of total incoherence. In any case the economic rebound would be hugely dependent on whether border/travel restrictions globally are loosened up again and just how far Trump goes with rolling back distancing restrictions. I can't imagine them shooting for Vegas at near normal operating capacity by this summer but this is an increasingly absurd and crazy world so I guess anything is possible.

Maybe the alternative is some sort of point-of-no-return economic calamity and they have to try a return to normal asap for those reasons. Who knows.
03-27-2020 , 03:53 PM
03-27-2020 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PTLou
Better poll would be Date NV Gaming Revenue returns to historic norms

June
Q3 2020
Q1 2021
Q3 2021
Never

Thats what matters to local economy and operators
According to this it took about 24-30 months for gaming revenue to return to its recent averages after the 2008 Great Recession.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gbN9KBxOsl...V%2BGaming.JPG

Bad Factors:

1) Gaming makes up a smaller percentage of overall revenue now than it did 10 years ago. General tourism and conventions could lag due to the "nature" of this crisis compared to a purely financial one.

2) This crisis happened at just about the worst time for Vegas as Feb-Apr are some of the busiest months.

3) We still have no good idea how long this will last, be-it general outbreak, or government suppression measures. As some have mentioned, even best-case-scenarios for re-opening do not mean that things will be back to normal right away. It could be some time.

Good Factors:

1) the overall economy was significantly better prior to COVID-19 than it was in January 2009 (at least in the US)

2) The US government is throwing a significantly larger amount of money at this crisis than it even did in 2008.
03-27-2020 , 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by that_pope
lol @ people thinking casinos will open in May. Why is 2021 an option, but not second half of 2020?
I know the Mayor really wants things open and is probably speaking to the governor every day about it. Not sure what kind of influence she has but regardless, it would be so irresponsible for the casinos to reopen soon. I think mid summer is honestly a reasonable timeframe. Maybe late summer. But April or May when there has been no flatlining of cases? No way.
03-27-2020 , 03:58 PM
I'm sure it's been discussed in NVG before. Everyone's in a booth, booths are all sort of visible from everywhere, booth number shows up on screen as player name.

Live zoom poker onetime? All the dealers ITT grunching HARD I know.
03-27-2020 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by parisron
Caesars properties and others already taking reservation for April 17th, I think Sometime in late April has a chance for them to open and by sometime in May very much so.
they blocked off a month on march 17th
obviously they're optimistic they can reopen on April 17th but it really means less than nothing
03-27-2020 , 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by borg23
they blocked off a month on march 17th
obviously they're optimistic they can reopen on April 17th but it really means less than nothing
Exactly, they're a business, they have to, but realistically, they're probably shut for 2020.
03-27-2020 , 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatshaft
Exactly, they're a business, they have to, but realistically, they're probably shut for 2020.
There’s no way they shut down for that long. The entire state of Nevada would collapse into anarchy.

      
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