^^^This

just subscribing.

also, I know someone who played in this but is serving a temp-ban on 2p2 that I've been in contact with today...he busted out, but someone from his local card room in Columbus is (was?) 2nd in chips of the last 27...

very interested to see how this plays out.

almost feel like they have to refund every single buyin (regardless of which day they busted) and then put up the full prize money and let the last 27 continue playing.

yes, there may be a cheater in those last 3 tables, and the cheater(s) would definitely get their buyin back, but to the others this is the only fair way to go forward.

it'll cost the casino several million, but if they don't make the correct decision soon, it's going to cost them a lot more than that going forward (and probably already has).

GL to the (non-cheating) 27 left.

I got to party with men the master in tunica and was pretty funny guy to hang out with, I guess people can be completely different on and off the felt

I'm sure he did not pay for a drink........ He's a cheap SOB

I wouldn't be surprised if Men was involved but it just seems way too obvious. If this were a movie he would be there to distract us and it would be somebody else unsuspecting to us. Maybe in this case, Men serves the purpose of the Mothman. He is not the cause, but simply a foreboding warning to all of impending disaster. Like before that bridge collapsed many years ago in Point Pleasant, WV.

Dam, that's a lot of places paid out and shallow slope. Did anyone comment on payout structure? Kessler?

The way i see it is the casino is responsible for providing a fair game. They failed and therefore assume such risk, of which they probably have insurance to cover. Either way i dont see them not refunding buy-ins. Too much damage to their reputation. As poker players or gamblers no one wants to be in an unfair compromised gambling situation. This will haunt them and they know it. Best to make it right and move on to collecting the house edge. Only time will tell.

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Bad to pay 19-27 same amount out of 5000 entries. 19 may play an entire day more than 27.

1) Yes, Men the Master is a scumbag.

2) There is no way Men is behind this. He is not dumb enough to try what was attempted. This was the work of rank amateurs.

3) The people who are jumping to the conclusion that it is Men are like those on Reddit after the Boston Marathon bombing who found a picture of two guys with backpacks and identified them as the culprits. Fortunately they were cleared quickly, but shows what happens when the uninformed public jumps to conclusions.

lol

When you have ripped off as many people as men has you don't get the benefit of a doubt. The guy should be black balled from every card room in the world

Anyone done this? The main poker cage or the tourney cash out cage on the main floor?

almost zero chance they'd begin issuing refunds without an official statement

As each day passes, the B generates millions in revenue. Whats going on?

Not disagreeing. Still all those accusing are making fools of themselves IMO. Time will tell and I will gladly eat my words if it turns out he has anything to do with this.

(I will literally print out my post and eat it.)

And one of those kids outted by reddit killed himself a few days later...

Pretty sure eventually redit got both the killers id'd

Yea, and what has changed in how Poker Rooms run these large tournaments since this incident in 2006 ?

Nothing ?

Doing some sort of chop for the final 27 seems like a fine solution, once they have identified and disqualified the cheaters. Clealy, NJGC is not going to allow them to restart the tournament quickly, and many of the remaining players probably travelled a long distance to play in the tournament. If I had to miss a couple days of work to travel back to AC weeks later for a restart, I would much rather just claim my equity now.

I think more important than the details of how the players are paid is that the Borgata and the NJGC be very open about what happened, who the culprits were, and who was affected. I can understand why they can't do this now, but it needs to happen once the investigation is complete.

Forgive me if this is been addressed at some point earlier in this thread but after looking at the picture of the counterfeit chips floating around and playing in this event, I can't help but notice how similar the counterfeit chips look to the 100 unit chips and as far as I can tell they pretty much look like the 100 unit chips but with a 5000 unit sticker on them. Could there possibly have been a production error on the operations side of this event where the charcoal chips that were supposed to be 100 units were improperly labeled 5000 and put into play? I know this sounds pretty far-fetched and even if it isn't the case it made me wonder if possibly this isn't a counterfeiting operation after all and there is something else at play that could possibly be negligence on behalf of tournament operations and everybody jumped to the conclusion that it must have been counterfeiting because that seem to be the only logical explanation for over one million extra units to be in play.

Has an official statement been made yet that this was in fact counterfeiting or just that the tournament has been compromised?

per Ralph Massey, 3 different $5k chips used at The Main Event at Choctaw today.

What are we doing here Tournament Directors and Poker Room Management ?

I mean, whats the proper solution for borgata to not have this happen again? A new set of chips , and or a unique set, per different event/series seems to expensive?

Maybe re-painting the large denomination chips (5k/25k) a random color prior to every series will help the issue? Inexpensive as well I'm assuming?

Wow.. really. this is a sad week for live poker tourneys..

Different color chips at each tournament in the series with no crossover. Just basic chips for your casino in X flavors can't be THAT expensive.

A better idea though, is to use RFID chips. If you use RFID Chips and Cards, the tournament stats and every hand can be accurate REALTIME. Every chip accounted for, and every hand accurately recorded at every table.

RFID would be more expensive, but easily covered by the fees from the larger tournaments. Welcome to 2014.

Quick question, didn't read entire thread. Players were allowed to enter on 1b or 1c even if they played 1a AND finished the day with chips. If they then finished another flight with chips, only their highest total would be move on to day 2, and any smaller stacks would be forfeited. Not sure if anyone did this, but the chip total would be skewed lower if anyone did. Question is, did anyone forfeit chips, and if so, how many?