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03-14-2014 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdadio48
hahahaha!! new updater from borg same as last update 3 weeks ago... they are saying hopefully next week. lol
A little different...he added the words"next steps" to the email
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03-14-2014 , 07:39 PM
For all of you that think the DGE is going to require the Borgata to give everyone refunds that played in tourney...pull your head out of your ass...not happening. At best they may have to refund day 1b and day 2 players that did not cash...these people may have been affected by the bogus chips
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03-14-2014 , 07:46 PM
These guys that think the Borgata will just come out of pocket +1.5 mil are insane.
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03-14-2014 , 08:03 PM
To give everyone a freeroll into the 560 would be the best decision IMO. Yes some players cannot make it but like I'm sure it was stated earlier in the threat not everyone was effected by his chipdump. You can argue someone who busted first hand aa<kk shouldn't get it back but that's not good spirit of the game. Add another day1 where those who played that event can enter free. People will still bust and re enter. Even with a freeroll as massive as this would be I don't see the gtd not being met. The fact not everyone could make it sure encourage the idea since they save face and value
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03-14-2014 , 08:08 PM
Lusardi also played 1a


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03-14-2014 , 08:22 PM
I meant to say AA vs kk or some sort of first hand cooler
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03-14-2014 , 08:31 PM
MAJOR GRUNCH.

Does anyone think the remaining people in the tournament will not get paid out?

It seems like most of the debate is over refunds for those who busted.
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03-14-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jakaseti
Lusardi also played 1a


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Where did you see that he played 1a?
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03-14-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Heartland
MAJOR GRUNCH.

Does anyone think the remaining people in the tournament will not get paid out?

It seems like most of the debate is over refunds for those who busted.
That is because most of the people on this thread are trying to justify why they should get their buy in back...I think there is only 3 of the final 27 on this thread...pninwin, mrdadio48 and myself...there might be someone else but not sure.

I believe the Borgata is going to do right by the final 27...I have been going there for years and they have always treated me right and until they don't, I am going to believe they will
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03-14-2014 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
For all of you that think the DGE is going to require the Borgata to give everyone refunds that played in tourney...pull your head out of your ass...not happening. At best they may have to refund day 1b and day 2 players that did not cash...these people may have been affected by the bogus chips
your not gonna be happy when you get your bologna sammich from borgata
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Originally Posted by Heartland
MAJOR GRUNCH.

Does anyone think the remaining people in the tournament will not get paid out?

It seems like most of the debate is over refunds for those who busted.
I don't think they get anything substantial. I think they should get to play it out, but to give any type of chop seems unfair to the ones who busted out just prior. Def no refunds for busted players that's absurd
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03-14-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
The spring open will be a Colossal Success whether any of the above happens or not.
my prediction is that it that the series will take around a 15% hit from last year's Spring Open

I'm not going to engage in debate on whether that is still considered a colossal success. I'll leave you fine folks to discuss that among yourselves
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03-14-2014 , 10:27 PM
won't the numbers be up with the WPT 15K? maybe the smaller buy ins will have a few less entries but overall it should be more revenue for Borgata than last year
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03-14-2014 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
won't the numbers be up with the WPT 15K? maybe the smaller buy ins will have a few less entries but overall it should be more revenue for Borgata than last year
I just meant when comparing similar events to last year
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03-14-2014 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by pipes
I just meant when comparing similar events to last year
15%, probably a good estimate
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03-15-2014 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
That is because most of the people on this thread are trying to justify why they should get their buy in back...I think there is only 3 of the final 27 on this thread...pninwin, mrdadio48 and myself...there might be someone else but not sure.

I believe the Borgata is going to do right by the final 27...I have been going there for years and they have always treated me right and until they don't, I am going to believe they will
I'm one of the final 27 too. They need to come to a decision really soon because my patience is running out. This wait is ridiculous. Waking up every god damn day with this on my mind is driving me insane. Buy-ins back to those who busted or not, they really need to do right by the final 27. At this point, I don't care if it's an ICM chop, pay-out based on what place we are currently in or an even chop. I'm hopeful that the result is one of the three choices.... If not, this will be a huge disgrace to the poker community.
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03-15-2014 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pair Draw
I'm one of the final 27 too. They need to come to a decision really soon because my patience is running out. This wait is ridiculous. Waking up every god damn day with this on my mind is driving me insane. Buy-ins back to those who busted or not, they really need to do right by the final 27. At this point, I don't care if it's an ICM chop, pay-out based on what place we are currently in or an even chop. I'm hopeful that the result is one of the three choices.... If not, this will be a huge disgrace to the poker community.
Don't you want to play it out? I really don't see any form of a chop being fair to all involved. People on this thread seem to think you not be able to get everyone back to play it out, but I differ in opinion. Who would walk away from their chance at 372,000....1 in 27 chance...1in 5 for over 100k.
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03-15-2014 , 06:11 PM
There is no play it out morons. It's been cancelled.
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03-15-2014 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
There is no play it out morons. It's been cancelled.
I forgot you were in the meeting on Saturday when we were told about the tournament being canceled...and you have been conversing with the Borgata since. Oh no that wasn't you that was me. The Borgata has the ability to set up a 27 person tourney and let us play it..they just can't do anything until the DGE releases the prize pool. So who is the moron?
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03-15-2014 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pair Draw
I'm one of the final 27 too. They need to come to a decision really soon because my patience is running out. This wait is ridiculous. Waking up every god damn day with this on my mind is driving me insane. Buy-ins back to those who busted or not, they really need to do right by the final 27. At this point, I don't care if it's an ICM chop, pay-out based on what place we are currently in or an even chop. I'm hopeful that the result is one of the three choices.... If not, this will be a huge disgrace to the poker community.


THE EVENT WAS CANCELLED. THERE WILL BE NO CHOP, NO PLAYOFF OF THE FINAL 27. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A REFUND OF THE ENTRY FEE TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE INTRODUCTION OF CHIPS. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING ANYTHING MORE, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED. IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
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03-15-2014 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
THE EVENT WAS CANCELLED. THERE WILL BE NO CHOP, NO PLAYOFF OF THE FINAL 27. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A REFUND OF THE ENTRY FEE TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE INTRODUCTION OF CHIPS. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING ANYTHING MORE, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED. IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
You must be an expert in gaming law...I am glad you were able to offer you very insightful expert opinion on these matters....but I am pretty sure you will be disappointed when you look around and realize that you are still living in your parents basement and you are not getting a refund
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03-15-2014 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
THE EVENT WAS CANCELLED. THERE WILL BE NO CHOP, NO PLAYOFF OF THE FINAL 27. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A REFUND OF THE ENTRY FEE TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE INTRODUCTION OF CHIPS. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING ANYTHING MORE, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED. IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.


So 28th place makes more than 1-27? That definitely seems like the most likely outcome.
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03-15-2014 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerveza69
THE EVENT WAS CANCELLED. THERE WILL BE NO CHOP, NO PLAYOFF OF THE FINAL 27. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A REFUND OF THE ENTRY FEE TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE INTRODUCTION OF CHIPS. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING ANYTHING MORE, YOU WILL BE DISAPPOINTED. IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
the capital letters have me nervous, like an authority figure has issued a once and for all decree i still think there will be a chip chop. it's fair
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03-15-2014 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
Don't you want to play it out? I really don't see any form of a chop being fair to all involved. People on this thread seem to think you not be able to get everyone back to play it out, but I differ in opinion. Who would walk away from their chance at 372,000....1 in 27 chance...1in 5 for over 100k.
Yes, of course I'd rather play it out, but that option is out of the picture. We cleared our schedules to attend that tournament. What if they choose June 1 2014 as the day to play it out and it's my wedding day (which it's not)? Do I reschedule my wedding? The event was cancelled, and it was clearly stated by Tab while we were behind closed doors. Tab stated that the tournament was cancelled and will not be played out.
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03-15-2014 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pair Draw
Yes, of course I'd rather play it out, but that option is out of the picture. We cleared our schedules to attend that tournament. What if they choose June 1 2014 as the day to play it out and it's my wedding day (which it's not)? Do I reschedule my wedding? The event was cancelled, and it was clearly stated by Tab while we were behind closed doors. Tab stated that the tournament was cancelled and will not be played out.
Yes. I agree event 1 at the Borgata winter poker open was canceled and can not be finished as event 1. What is stopping the Borgata from having event 101 at the spring open for the 27 remaining players? Freeroll for the remaining prize money. Chips, blinds and payouts all start where we left off.

And as far as your hypothetical situation of getting married...I say don't do it...run. Seriously most of the 27 are already going to be at the Spring open.
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03-15-2014 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
Yes. I agree event 1 at the Borgata winter poker open was canceled and can not be finished as event 1. What is stopping the Borgata from having event 101 at the spring open for the 27 remaining players? Freeroll for the remaining prize money. Chips, blinds and payouts all start where we left off.

And as far as your hypothetical situation of getting married...I say don't do it...run. Seriously most of the 27 are already going to be at the Spring open.

After thinking about it. Most likely an ICM chop, since there is no way to get people together again (sounds like some in the 27 want to play it out but it is impossible to set a schedule that fits with all 27). It is probably taking this long because they are trying to decide whether the DGE will enforce Borgata to give refunds or not.

Most likely no refunds for any bust outs since most of them never played with Lusardi and those that did had to play under the same conditions at the same table (aka you can benefit or be disadvantaged by his loose play). As a poker player, if a player is being spewy and calling light against you, you need to make adjustments

I feel for the 27, waiting and not knowing what exactly will happen. ICM for 27 and no handouts to bust outs.
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