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Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT* Borgata finds counterfeit 5k chips in WPO #1-Cncls event-Arrest made-Lawsuit filed-*RULING OUT*

03-05-2014 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by roller000
if they icm the final 27 .then they should have them icm lusardi"s $300000 bail and stuff him down borgata"s toilet
Hahahh well done
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03-05-2014 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cf410

Poker is to casinos what the ethnic food aisle is to a grocery store. It brings in a particular group of customers that are looking for a specific item that can pay for itself to be there and generate a bit of profit for the space it takes up. But they hope you bring a friend that spends time in the rest of the store and that on the way out you also want to buy some ice cream and chips.
Rarely see a good analogy on this site. I enjoyed this.
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03-05-2014 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
if the borgata allowed themselves to be victimized so did the players.
when i first heard about this i figured they had to be great counterfeit chips and I couldn't believe it when I saw they weren't remotely the same color.there are 9-10 times more players than dealers so how didn't the players notice for so long?it's actually easier to notice fake chips as a player than it is as a dealer.
Players notified floors. They switched at least one out someone said in the thread. 30k in chips was discovered Thursday but tournament was not stopped around 6pm. Players spoke up. It's not the players responsibility.
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03-05-2014 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
lol tunica
Tunica used to be a great stop on the WPT back in 2003-05. Every big name was there.
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03-05-2014 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
These counterfeit chips were in play...They were at the table I moved to. The stacks at the table were unreal. I was affected by the bullying. Big raises every single hand. I folded a set because of the action. I was truly astounded by the amount everyone had at the table.
there are reasons why one would fold a set.... four card flush on the board? or maybe a four card straight going on? or maybe you had bottom set and thought someone had a higher set? you simply state you folded for being at an aggressive table with lots of action and the players had big stacks... why not explain the action of this particular hand to bring to light the "rest" of the story (paul harvey) LOL. or are you one of the ones looking for a refund? i dont blame anyone for trying...
the borgata will let us all know when the dge advises their order asap. (quote)
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03-05-2014 , 01:04 PM
if the dge is advising thee order than this is probably the hold up, lawyers on both sides conversing. gaming is big revenue in nj so they dont want to have it where these mtts dont exist due to high costs of running them, yet they need to prevent this from happening again. lusardi may get off easy, who knows? in some states its automatically long sentences. they probably just want to have something in place so the players can feel safe at these events.
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03-05-2014 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
I thought every possible chipgate issue/question has already been raised on twoplustwo but a guy at work posed an interesting scenario to me today...what if the DGE decides that the remaining 27 players only get paid 27th place money? Should I cash the check? Would that prevent me (or the others) for suing for our full equity? Will the Borgata in fact have us sign some sort of agreement acknowledging the fairness of the outcome before giving us the check? I dunno, I still think the entire remaining prize pool will be chopped by the final 27 players, but something to consider

as you see I am beginning to creep over to the dark side and plan for doomsday scenarios
First of all what is up Shady. That should remind you who I am. As one of the 27 I can assure you that I will not accept 27th place money as a payout. The borgata views us differently then any one else that thinks they have a claim. Let the DGE do there thing and then the Borgata can do theirs once the investigation is over.
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03-05-2014 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Oneof27
First of all what is up Shady. That should remind you who I am. As one of the 27 I can assure you that I will not accept 27th place money as a payout. The borgata views us differently then any one else that thinks they have a claim. Let the DGE do there thing and then the Borgata can do theirs once the investigation is over.
LOL. Yeah, I dumped 1.1 million chips to you that hand....about $15K in equity....dinner on you for that gift?

Just texted the Borgata VP today, he said the DGE told him they expect to make a decision this Friday. Of course we were told the same thing last week. Keep our fingers crossed
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03-05-2014 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
If any news or solution does not comes out by the weekend,then I am guessing it is not coming out until after Borgata Spring Open/WPT is over.

Looks like interested parties are working together to protect their ends.!!

Again no inside informations just it looks like that way !

For the benefit of both the group ( 4812 and lucky or unlucky 27 ) I hope I am wrong.
Again no inside information but some people will not be happy with outcome .
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03-05-2014 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
LOL. Yeah, I dumped 1.1 million chips to you that hand....about $15K in equity....dinner on you for that gift?
Hopefully no one from Borgata is continuing to read this thread. Between a nickname of 'Shady' and the words you use here, this sounds like an admission of collusion to me.
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03-05-2014 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cf410
Hopefully no one from Borgata is continuing to read this thread. Between a nickname of 'Shady' and the words you use here, this sounds like an admission of collusion to me.
No not at all...he bet the river when a flush draw hit and i called with just a pair and told him it was because his bet looked shady.
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03-05-2014 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
LOL. Yeah, I dumped 1.1 million chips to you that hand....about $15K in equity....dinner on you for that gift?

Just texted the Borgata VP today, he said the DGE told him they expect to make a decision this Friday. Of course we were told the same thing last week. Keep our fingers crossed
That is good news...I emailed Joe and Brian late this afternoon but have not recieved a response yet
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03-06-2014 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pninwin
LOL. Yeah, I dumped 1.1 million chips to you that hand....about $15K in equity....dinner on you for that gift?

Just texted the Borgata VP today, he said the DGE told him they expect to make a decision this Friday. Of course we were told the same thing last week. Keep our fingers crossed
Keep your finger crossed.🎯
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03-07-2014 , 12:08 PM
I said it already ITT and I'll say it again: the correct settlement to this debacle is to refund roughly 5$ to each entrant: this is the amount of equity that they lost when 1% extra chips were introduced. The 27 finalists should play on as if nothing had happened (since they got the 5$ compensation like everyone). Alternatively, an ICM chop is acceptable.
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03-07-2014 , 12:10 PM
Smart players and smart casino learn from other people's mistake!

Parx casino started counting high value chips during dinner brake for big tournament after borgata incidence .I just checked chip count from day 1a and day 1b of currently going on Parx Big 1500 tourney .

It is perfect to 99.99% !!!!

Great Job!!

* I understand it is much smaller size of players pool .
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03-07-2014 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Smart players and smart casino learn from other people's mistake!

Parx casino started counting high value chips during dinner brake for big tournament after borgata incidence .I just checked chip count from day 1a and day 1b of currently going on Parx Big 1500 tourney .

It is perfect to 99.99% !!!!

Great Job!!

* I understand it is much smaller size of players pool .
They did the same thing for the 300. They had 1800 players or so not exactly small.
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03-07-2014 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChipKatcher
They did the same thing for the 300. They had 1800 players or so not exactly small.
That is small compared to Borgata standards.
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03-07-2014 , 12:28 PM
The lack of a resolution this long after the tournament was cancelled is simply inexcusable.

"We need to discuss this with our lawyers/commission/dog/priest whatever" excuse buys them 3 days in this era of real time communication.

It has been months....

I promise you this. If a player cheated them and took THEIR money, they would not wait months to decide what to do. But here borgata literally has ZERO incentive I guess to resolve this, because, well, they are holding the money, letting it earn interest for them.

They unfortunately derive zero benefit out of deciding this sooner than later, other than good will and reputation, but as the average posts per day in this thread continue to dwindle, the PR issue means very little as well, I think.

This really tilts me.
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03-07-2014 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sheetsworld
The lack of a resolution this long after the tournament was cancelled is simply inexcusable.

"We need to discuss this with our lawyers/commission/dog/priest whatever" excuse buys them 3 days in this era of real time communication.

It has been months....

I promise you this. If a player cheated them and took THEIR money, they would not wait months to decide what to do. But here borgata literally has ZERO incentive I guess to resolve this, because, well, they are holding the money, letting it earn interest for them.

They unfortunately derive zero benefit out of deciding this sooner than later, other than good will and reputation, but as the average posts per day in this thread continue to dwindle, the PR issue means very little as well, I think.

This really tilts me.
Really I agree. The time that has passed is pretty obnoxious.
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03-07-2014 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sheetsworld
The lack of a resolution this long after the tournament was cancelled is simply inexcusable.

"We need to discuss this with our lawyers/commission/dog/priest whatever" excuse buys them 3 days in this era of real time communication.

It has been months....

I promise you this. If a player cheated them and took THEIR money, they would not wait months to decide what to do. But here borgata literally has ZERO incentive I guess to resolve this, because, well, they are holding the money, letting it earn interest for them.

They unfortunately derive zero benefit out of deciding this sooner than later, other than good will and reputation, but as the average posts per day in this thread continue to dwindle, the PR issue means very little as well, I think.

This really tilts me.
I can't blame borgata entirely as NJDGE is holding out the investigation. Unless they both are working together !!

I will start sending email to NJDGE and Governor's office which take pride in solving problem quick!!

This is not fair to any one !! Either 4812 or remaining 27.

3000 to 4000 email will wake up any politician !!
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03-07-2014 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
I can't blame borgata entirely as NJDGE is holding out the investigation. Unless they both are working together !!

I will start sending email to NJDGE and Governor's office which take pride in solving problem quick!!

This is not fair to any one !! Either 4812 or remaining 27.

3000 to 4000 email will wake up any politician !!
Just one E-mail from you is probably enough.
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03-07-2014 , 01:35 PM
everyone has been pretty patient up to this point but come on now this is not right, two months???? really ? really? the fnnn patience is going out the window!!
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03-07-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by therealsaltydog
That is small compared to Borgata standards.
lol so 1800 is small but 4000 is completely unworkable?

I know Borgata thinks it can just open the doors and the players will come on running. And for the most part they are right.

But if this is still outstanding next month I would guess (and hope) that the attendance in the BSO drops around 15% even with the presence of the WPT.
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03-07-2014 , 03:36 PM
I really do not need the Borgata. And after this, I wont step foot in the place. During the tournament it took 2 hours to get a water from the wait staff. Really? I don't need the bad customer service with the negligent running of their poker tournaments. No news releases. Nothing...

I already contacted Cristy's office. I was then pointed to a Lisa in the gaming commission. This was 3 weeks ago.

No one gives a hoot, otherwise there would be daily updates. Good luck Borgata, I am done with your joint...By the way, your horse room sucks....
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03-07-2014 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Allworld23
I really do not need the Borgata. And after this, I wont step foot in the place. During the tournament it took 2 hours to get a water from the wait staff. Really? I don't need the bad customer service with the negligent running of their poker tournaments. No news releases. Nothing...

I already contacted Cristy's office. I was then pointed to a Lisa in the gaming commission. This was 3 weeks ago.

No one gives a hoot, otherwise there would be daily updates. Good luck Borgata, I am done with your joint...By the way, your horse room sucks....
Plot is thickening !!

The spoke person you just named above ,suddenly retired from state services.

She was the person who was putting out public statement in the case for the NJDGE ..

If you want,u can contact:
Kerry.Langan@njdge.org
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