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05-25-2020 , 04:13 PM

#576

zachvac

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13,775

I heard the app they were playing on requires the camera on. That means someone who was invited to the game was on the camera pretending to play while jungle (and others?) were the ones actually playing. Regardless of what you think about ghosting in general and the actions of the pros playing, selling your account and pretending to be the one playing via webcam while someone else is playing in this private game you've been invited to is super scummy.

05-25-2020 , 04:13 PM

#577

Bizeeey

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andro

What does "this is misleading" even mean? Either you played on the other guy's account or you didn't. It's either true or not. How can it be misleading?

He's probably guilty of it just not in the game Bilz thinks

05-25-2020 , 04:16 PM

#578

pokerbeastsu

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 473

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shocked

Get this:

Many of us have something special and subtle that we really pride ourselves in. For myself, since I was a child I had a lot of pride in my honor/integrity, meaning the alignment of my actions and words. - Daniel Cates, 05/08/2020

Soon to be famous last words.

05-25-2020 , 04:16 PM

#579

Dream Crusher

banned

Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 18,786

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachvac

Regardless of what you think about ghosting in general and the actions of the pros playing, selling your account and pretending to be the one playing via webcam while someone else is playing in this private game you've been invited to is super scummy.

The poker community views these as acceptable actions to gain an edge. Plus it's only cheating if the person being cheated is likeable.

05-25-2020 , 04:19 PM

#580

Bizeeey

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachvac

https://twitter.com/bp22/status/1264608551445684225

idk how to embed tweets

05-25-2020 , 04:21 PM

#581

Mr_Mxyztplk

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,557

So Perkins wasn’t sure how to spell Daniel Cates?

05-25-2020 , 04:21 PM

#582

SuperSwag

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,809

Would love to see what Jungleman's lawyer looks like

05-25-2020 , 04:29 PM

#583

Slugant

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7,556

what or who is this cyril (meme) i keep reading?

05-25-2020 , 04:30 PM

#584

PTLou

JellyBean

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,516

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Would love to see what Jungleman's lawyer looks like

obv

#freejungle

05-25-2020 , 04:31 PM

#585

SuperSwag

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,809

BP is a ****ing pussy for someone who traded high stakes stocks. Can't believe he couldn't just out jungle.

05-25-2020 , 04:32 PM

#586

samooth

veteran

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,350

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bizeeey

https://twitter.com/bp22/status/1264608551445684225

idk how to embed tweets

05-25-2020 , 04:33 PM

#587

twalf

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 739

Who is this sina taleb guy? Google gives me nothing

05-25-2020 , 04:38 PM

#588

Bobo Fett

Carpe Diem

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 57,426

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

There are rampant murders in Brazil but that doesn't make it right to pick up a piece and shoot someone in the head.

That was, um, quite a place to go with this.

Were you thinking that "just because others cheat doesn't make it right for you to do so" was too complex, so a good murder analogy would make it easier to understand?

05-25-2020 , 04:43 PM

#589

ArtyMcFly

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 13,256

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Fish

Time for a title change, perhaps. “Dan Bilzerian outs “Jungleman” Dan Cates as Ghost in Bill Perkins’ Machine”

Agreed.

Quote:

Subtitle:
Cyril cleared of wrong-doing, goes back to being a 2010 meme.

Cyril is a time-travelling shape-shifter that will always be relevant. His latest alias is Sina Taleb.

05-25-2020 , 04:43 PM

#590

Elite Rounder

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,290

How many hands they played before they understood it's not him but Jungle? They should notice that fairly quickly.(if the other guy was supposed to be bad. )

05-25-2020 , 04:46 PM

#591

King Fish

A Big Deal Around Here

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,117

Quote:

Originally Posted by twalf

Who is this sina taleb guy? Google gives me nothing

05-25-2020 , 04:47 PM

#592

SpinMeRightRound

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 2,723

So it's confirmed that it's jungleman he was referring to?

05-25-2020 , 04:47 PM

#593

SuperSwag

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,809

Quote:

Originally Posted by twalf

Who is this sina taleb guy? Google gives me nothing

Oil guy

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...24102/officers

05-25-2020 , 04:47 PM

#594

~PLO~

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Rounder

How many hands they played before they understood it's not him but Jungle? They should notice that fairly quickly.(if the other guy was supposed to be bad. )

Thin line between fish and brilliance

05-25-2020 , 04:50 PM

#595

BlackJackDegen

self-banned

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Rounder

How many hands they played before they understood it's not him but Jungle? They should notice that fairly quickly.(if the other guy was supposed to be bad. )

It wasn't noticed. Koon brought the information to light it seems. All these guys are probably smart, rich businessmen who play together regularly so they will have a decent base level of skill. The guy ghosting isn't Mike Postle levels of stupid where he is going to overtly advertise the fact. It is not going to be massively noticeable if a good player does this in a discreet way if the guy they are playing for isn't perceived prior as horrible levels of bad.

05-25-2020 , 04:51 PM

#596

twalf

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 739

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Oil guy

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...24102/officers

Nice find

05-25-2020 , 04:52 PM

#597

SuperSwag

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,809

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen

It wasn't noticed. Koon brought the information to light it seems. All these guys are probably smart, rich businessmen who play together regularly so they will have a decent base level of skill. The guy ghosting isn't Mike Postle levels of stupid where he is going to overtly advertise the fact. It is not going to massively noticeable if a good player does this in a discreet way if the guy they are playing for isn't perceived prior as horrible levels of bad.

Jungleman always plays correctly. I don't think he's capable of pretending to be a fish by mixing in playing bad.

05-25-2020 , 04:53 PM

#598

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,583

That is not the same guy - the name Sina Taleb isn't correct.

This conversation between Jason and Shaun gives more information into what is going on in the private HS world.

https://twitter.com/****ycakes123/st...89654038999040

Last edited by Videopro; 05-25-2020 at 08:34 PM. Reason: embedaments

05-25-2020 , 04:55 PM

#599

BlackJackDegen

self-banned

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 875

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSwag

Jungleman always plays correctly. I don't think he's capable of pretending to be a fish by mixing in playing bad.

The thing that is probably most troubling here is that this isn't just him. It is a group of players so they probably have even discussed strat towards this end amongst themselves. In this game the incorrect play at times is the correct play.