i won 4-1 so i didnt care but seems like the same thing

Sounds like cheating to me. Was Elky never called out for this? How often does he do this in online poker tournaments?

it was some online tourney and broodwar was too niche for anyone to care, it wasnt like a huge tourney either, cant even remember what event that was, i just remember I had to play vs someone named ArtOfGlory, he was buddy with elky and asked him to play on his account, Elky was out of shape at that time anyway so he prob wasnt that much better than glory, there was no money involved, there was never any money in broodwar unless you played in korea

Any USA facing sites after black friday were completely illegal. And for you to play on something that is completely illegal, makes you a cheater and a POS. So all USA pros are cheaters and a POS.

I LIKE THIS!

Laugh it up, but we all know Wild Bill Hockok was shot because he was hiding a GoPro under that hat brim.

I dont entirely agree. Objective right/wrong only exists inside a subjective framework. There's no objective right/wrong. The framework can be a fair poker game, well-being of chickens or what have you. If we agree on the rules then of course certain acts can be either right/wrong with regards to those rules.

Not to nitpick (or hijack the thread), but I think you're being pretty careless with the word cheating. If a US player, post-BF, played on his or her own account from a VPN I would not classify them as a cheater. They are certainly breaking the rules of the site they are playing on, and if they were caught and punished I don't think they'd deserve sympathy, but I don't think they're cheating their fellow players. IMO there's a pretty meaningful difference there.

Oh they are cheating, they are breaking the rules, it is just not a very major wrong when compared to say installing a trojan on someone's computer or marking the deck. There are varying degrees of cheating.

When money is involved, than people always try to get it on one or the other way

Which totally does not differentiate him from basically anybody else. There is always some aspect that can justify what you are doing and the smarter you are the easier it is to find it.

^ this sums up my point of view pretty well

and fwiw, i think vpn's are never allowed, i know stars is against them, even if you use it from an allowed country

Bears in the garden.

This is excellent.

What does a private businessmen game have to do with casinos restricting access to their games? A group of men wants to play for money and every pokerpro should be entitled to sneak in? It's so weird how poker players think they are entitled to play on every table they want.

Me and my buddys hit on your girlfriend and talked her into a 3some. If you expect to keep a traditionally exclusive relationship exclusive, you shouldn't have allowed her to make these sexy instagram posts. It's a bit silly to complain about a group of dicks showing up at your bedroom if you gave everybody a sneak via social media.

hes probably talking about aria and wynn which by rules isnt supposed to have private games, they make up a bunch of names and put them on the waitlist as a pretext to keep out the 'undesirables'

This has nothing to do with private games. Jungle is invited to the macau private games. He is just greedy and wanted an edge. Perkins probably noticed it was a pro in two seconds based on bet sizing.

I agree. I was being a bit facetious. I was responding to someone who told me I was a cheater for using a VPN, so I said then all USA players are cheaters.

Are you saying all USA players use VPN and play remotely from banned countries?

in this thread we learned that near 100% of mtt players are cheaters

I believe he's saying that after Black Friday, all USA players that continued to play on any sites (not even using a VPN) were cheating because they're playing on sites that were skirting US law according to the DOJ.

I don't see this as cheating, though, since you're not breaking the TOS of the site like you are if you use a VPN. Those sites were offering the games to US players, and all the opponents knew they were playing US players, unlike on sites that banned US players yet some still did by using VPNs.

I guess what we've learned is that there is near zero incentive to be honest. You certainly don't want to go full postle-mode, but you should try to push it as far as you can - and then some. Unless you do it to ppl that are likely to resort to physical repatriation, you're pretty much safe. Most ppl won't care in the first place, even if you're track-reckord gives significant indication that you've been doing it in some fashion for a decade+. Some will use their time to defend your actions, and a few will question your values. These are usually players of the lowest limits though, so who gives af anyway.

If you still get caught, best practice is to start with threatening to destroy others reputation and businesses. If it doesn't work, take a lawyer and maybe add an apology - a lazy-ass one is suffcient.

In general, don't forget to have a reasonable frequency of virtue-signaling of all those virtues that you actually don't possess. Don't worry, others will be happy to approve your integrity, as it's a give and take.

The upside? Obviously money, bitches, and all that comes with not having to have the hustle for your monthly paycheck determine your life.

Oh makes a lot of sense, thanks.

You might want to learn what hustle means

Enlighten me

The two definitions for "hustle" I was able to get off a quick google search are:

1. A busy movement and activity
2. A fraud or swindle