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This is presumably just the truth. While the situation has improved since the Harper years, Canada is still nowhere close. Before Ukraine, I would have said it was appropriate. Now I'm not so sure.

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04-21-2023 , 02:03 AM

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Exclusive: Justin Trudeau has told NATO officials privately that Canada will never meet NATO's defense spending target, according to a leaked document. Canada’s “widespread” military deficiencies are harming ties with allies, the document says

well ya no **** lolz

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04-21-2023 , 03:18 AM

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Seem Twitter has back off for cbc .

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04-21-2023 , 11:54 AM

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theres pretty much zero point for canada to have military. they are doing it right keeping a fringe military so if things change and they need one it would not be as difficult I wouldn't mind more cutbacks tbh let the us spend 100 trillion a year or w/e for us

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04-21-2023 , 01:17 PM

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That was previously more or less my view. But Ukraine changed it. I think NATO countries still need to have a non-trivial amount of military capacity so that they are able to act as that dissincentive against agression by Russia etc knowing that NATO will fully support Ukraine. Canadian military released a great image of our leopards loading onto cargo planes the other day.

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04-21-2023 , 01:36 PM

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im the opposite I see russia fail measurably and ask myself why would I want my tax dollars going to that instead of healthcare we have no enemys capable of defeating us currently. ship are few overpriced tanks and vehicles off to Ukraine and be done with it they probably cost billions to maintain. my relative whos incharge of media for the Canadian army would probably beat my ass for saying that lol.

Also no matter what canada spends its gonna be 1/1000th of the united states whats the point. They seem to enjoy wasting

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04-21-2023 , 01:38 PM

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That's a bit circular though. Russia failing measurably was contingent on massive amounts of western military aid. As incompetent as the russian military been, were it not for that aid the war would be over long back.

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04-21-2023 , 01:49 PM

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The problem with healthcare is put up more money in it do not give medical care anyway .
It’s workers we are missing and money won’t change much of that .
Doctors are already well payed .
Nurses complain more about force overtime and bad schedule .
More money is not always the answer .

i agree with uke last 2 post

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04-21-2023 , 02:26 PM

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ya thats true but money in theory makes more workers

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04-21-2023 , 02:35 PM

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Fwiw I’m all for giving more money to healthcare but I strongly believe the money won’t end up in creating more workers sadly .
It might help on the nurse side to increase it a bit but seem the money just get lost in the ever ending growing management .

Worst is , many doctors frown for working 50-60+ hours a week now (the old guard are retiring ) .
New doctors rather work 40 hours per week with better family life (new generation) .

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04-21-2023 , 08:56 PM

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So 13.2 billion $$$ for a battery plant for VW

Good investment?

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04-21-2023 , 11:51 PM

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Has the Canadian gov really introduced a type of forced speech as it relates to the use of preferred pronouns? Can you get a ticket or something for not obeying this? I have seen this in some headlines but don't know if I am understanding it correctly.

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04-22-2023 , 12:56 AM

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Sounds like you're reading some pretty shitty sources, unless the headlines were from April 1.

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04-22-2023 , 08:46 AM

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Sounds like you're reading some pretty shitty sources, unless the headlines were from April 1.

https://www.them.us/story/canadian-c...ghts-violation

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04-22-2023 , 09:08 AM

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Bill C16

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/featur...c-16-explained

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04-22-2023 , 10:29 AM

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Bill C16

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/featur...c-16-explained

Interesting. Looks like there is some truth to it despite the unnecessary and rude response from Bobo. How do the Canadians ITT feel about this type of law?

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04-22-2023 , 11:48 AM

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Interesting. Looks like there is some truth to it despite the unnecessary and rude response from Bobo. How do the Canadians ITT feel about this type of law?

I would guess most CDN's couldn't care as it really does not impact their lives. If you asked the average CDN what bill 21 covers most would say no clue.

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04-22-2023 , 03:48 PM

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Interesting. Looks like there is some truth to it despite the unnecessary and rude response from Bobo.

You asked the question, so I'm not sure why responding to it was "unnecessary". I guess you could say I was "rude" to your sources by calling them shitty, but I stand by the fact that any headline that summarized it in the way you posted was shitty. Just to start, the law says nothing about pronouns. Literally, nothing.

There's always "some truth" to these things, which the source then takes and twists to their predetermined narrative.

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How do the Canadians ITT feel about this type of law?

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Bill C-16 added the words “gender identity or expression” to three places.

First: It was added to the Canadian Human Rights Act, joining a list of identifiable groups that are protected from discrimination. These groups include age, race, sex, religion and disability, among others.

Second: It was added to a section of the Criminal Code that targets hate speech — defined as advocating genocide and the public incitement of hatred — where it joins other identifiable groups.

Third: It was added to a section of the Criminal Code dealing with sentencing for hate crimes. If there’s evidence that an offence is motivated by bias, prejudice or hate, it can be taken into account by the courts during sentencing.

Seems pretty common sense to me.

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04-22-2023 , 09:06 PM

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There was the note that

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The bill, which enshrines the rights of transgender or gender-diverse Canadians by including them under human rights and hate-crime laws, has sparked some debate. Critics voiced concerns that the law will penalize citizens who do not use specific pronouns when referring to gender diverse people.

It seems like a stretch that the government would try that

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04-22-2023 , 11:53 PM

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Well looks like Musk abandonded the whole labelling the CBC/BBC etc bit. Given how politicians like Poilievre exploited this label to falsely imply it was connected to the CBC being "Trudeau propaganda" the label clearly wasn't working.

Let's just notch one more in the endless list of Poilievre fabrications.

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04-22-2023 , 11:57 PM

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Interesting. Looks like there is some truth to it despite the unnecessary and rude response from Bobo. How do the Canadians ITT feel about this type of law?

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I would guess most CDN's couldn't care as it really does not impact their lives. If you asked the average CDN what bill 21 covers most would say no clue.

The bill is overwhelmingly supported by 84% Canadians at the time (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ghts-1.3750829).

Most Canadians actually DO care about what happens to other people around them and don't just think about what impacts their lives. However, a certain type of conservative thinks as lozen suggests. They are probably in that 14%.

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04-23-2023 , 03:10 AM

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There was the note that

Yes, sadly Canada also has a few politicians and pundits that embrace the whole culture war thing that has gotten so popular in the US, and will try to make a much bigger deal of this than it actually is.

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It seems like a stretch that the government would try that

Right.

But, I fully expect that at some point we'll get some jackass who constantly harasses a coworker including some intentional misgendering, then gets fined or charged with something, and we'll have those same politicians and pundits all up in arms about how the "woke" have cancelled someone over pronouns blah blah blah.

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04-23-2023 , 09:24 AM

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When I say most CDNs don't care I am referring to gender pronouns of course most CDNs want to protect everyones rights

Let's not start out the 7 the Trans Gender thread in the Canada thread. I support the bill as long as it does not force individuals to use pronouns

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04-26-2023 , 12:34 PM

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Ok correct me if I am wrong . I saw this on Fox News that Justin Trudeau says he never forced folks to get the vaccine . This was in an interview posted to twitter

https://www.foxnews.com/media/justin...get-vaccinated

Now he never tied folks down and injected them but denying someone a job is forcing them.

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04-26-2023 , 02:37 PM

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Hard to really know given the extreme biased "reporting" that person does. What I like is even in his bio they are pretty blatant, almost proud of it, and if you look at his history

https://www.foxnews.com/person/h/gabriel-hays

You will see that they are basically biased opinion pieces, not actual news.

Now I get that he is telling you something you want to hear, but the source is pretty meh (being generous) as per usual. I realize you will say the source (and his history of extreme biased opinion pieces) does not matter, but of course it does.

All the best.

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