Originally Posted by Tom Dwyer
What if... (If you respond, ANSWER "every" What if question please) Otherwise, the reply is gone.
NOTE! This is a "PRO REAL DEAL POKER thread of "WHAT IFS" questions." (Pro RNG players are welcome to start their own PRO RNG SITES "what if" thread if they like) I will delete any replies that do not follow the rules in the title of this thread. Let's take this one serious. Let's have an adult conversation on all this.
It's and ANSWER all or nothing thread. (My thread - my rules) Try to give detailed well thought out replies.
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Tom's what if questions.. Part "1"
1 -What if some of the members here poking fun at the pro Gene Gioia (Real Deal) camp are paid to be here to cause trouble. (You can get kids, and some adults sadly, to do all sorts of underhanded, trouble causing stuff for very little, like a few entries into small ball online tourneys or 5 or 10 bucks thrown into an account from time to time.) What if their sole mission if to keep poker players from getting the truth.
2 - What if some of the "pro" Real Deal players are onto something about the current , and eveb the "past closed poker" roomos/sites like "POKER DREAM" being rigged OR tweaked in some way to keep action going or to generate more rake?? (Anyone remember the piece of crap that was POKER DREAM?) That man ran off with my money and the money of many poker players.
3- What if (somehow, just go with me here) different players accounts are manipulated, while others are not? (And or to different degrees) so that one reports one thing, making it look bad for anyone wanting to speak up about their account if it's true? (like, take "never" winning with solid play EVER) **Don't ask me to define solid play; The never winning point many are making, no matter what cards are being played "OVER many Years" is suspect for sure we must all agree. I've ran games for years and I can tell you as FACT - That the better players won 75-85% of the time. BUT, everyonce in a great while, loose, no skilled players crushed the games. (Problem is... ALL money and then some returned to the player with better skills a day or two later, when play resumed.) *I can games for 3-4 years - every week, 2-4 times a week with up to 3 tables running. 2/4 limit, 1/3 pot limit and 1/2 NL. When I stopped due to my health and my daughter being almost 3 years of age. Pots were as high as $1800.00 (This is a game of mostly regular Joes poker players)
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4 - What if, all the posts ALL over the net (in hundreds of poker forums) about online poker not being right all these years - Are well.. right? We are talking about a sick number of topics and posts here people. (Do a search for rigged online poker some time?)
5- What if some or ALL accounts ALWAYS have flops with tight boards, turns always produce scare cards, and hands where any players left in action are ALWAYS hitting major draws and being beat by a player with "one better" a little too often (or Like all the time when it counts) and worst yet, bad draws by poor playing, "mega loose calling players that have no reason to be in hands based on pre flop and flop betting" , going runner runner and taking the huge pots.. more than math and %'s should allow? (or... like ALL the TIME when it counts) you know, hitting the 1 or 2 outters time and time again?
6- What if the pro RNG camp has it all wrong with the "more hands per hour statements as to why players see more bad beats and or are reporting "bad beats all the time?" (Why can't more hands per hour ALSO mean the possibility of better players winning much more money like, three or four times faster? Why does speed of play only seem to lean to the BAD BEATS situation?
7 - What if, players are right about calling the turn cards suite and value 80% of the time? (Is this random if any of this is true?)
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8 - What if, All these stats the pro RNG camp talk so much about are "tweaked" by say.. hmmm Allowing players to win small pots with hands like AK and AA, KK etc.. but crushing them when the POTS mean something substantial? (Big money pots?) (oh... Like all the time) Making it appear the stats are legit.
I mean.. Look around the net. What if all these players ARE RIGHT? (It's quite a lot of rigtards, they can't all be stupid can they?) Why would all these players take the staggering amount of time to post these concerns and statements about their accounts NEVER WINNING? Why would guys like me invest over 8 years looking for something like Real Deal? Why would Gene and his crew work over 5 years and receive 4 patents and a license to operate an online poker game with these changes? Seems to me the mass numbers of negative posts alone around the net and here,speaks volumes on these matters. It makes it clear (At least to me and a many others around here and working with and investing in RD) That another option of card delivery for online play is needed and very much wanted. (How could so many people be so upset and WRONG?) I don't think it's possible.. (THIS and many other RNG camp claims only make me laugh at this point.)
9 - What if RNG's simply can't do what a REAL DECK of playing cards has been doing for many lifetimes now? What if they can't deal a true random game of poker online? (Could it be that simple? making it that it's nothing about cheating just a case of "Rng's never worked in the first place"
10 - What if the RNG (and proven POKER PRO RNG) players just let REAL DEAL poker players play were they want - and do some talking at the RD tables if they have so much to prove? If we have it all wrong?
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11 - What if many till playing today feel the action is not right - but have no other options to go to? What if these players are "watching these boards" and pissed? What if they only play - because it's considered by them to be crap but still entertaining. (Only in a sick stomach way)
12 - What if bad beats are not bad beats at all - but rather - programmed expected beats? What then?
13 - What if it's as simple as money and wanting to take ALL OF IT off of the suckers.
14. - What if agencies that are supposed to oversee the integrity of these current online games are set up shams paid for by the billion dollar companies? (Paid off to report false reports) ***In the world of ENRON and such, I'll lean to the side of caution until I see different outcomes with the boards and wins/loses I'm seeing for years now. (over a long time of playing) even on Real Deal I'll ask these tough questions.. and have now for over three years. (I like their answers better is all up to this point.)
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Not even a blind squirrel can lose ALL the time in poker guys. Players expect better hands to pay them off when it counts - and that's just not what I'm seeing and or hearing for over 5 years now. By over 50 players I respect and know to be above average winning live players.
What if... (Hell.. I can go on and on.)
If anyone wants to do a What if (pro RNG Players Questions) thread - go right ahead. Let's keep this thread ANSWERING these REAL DEAL What ifs alone. If we need more - We can start a What if (pro REAL DEAL PLAYERS QUESTIONS "2" - "3" ) etc. or members can just post there own new single WHAT IF threads.
A few "bonus" What ifs? What if I'm not crazy after all and I'm able to get all the players who left online back, and these players report the same outcomes about Real Deal playing better and more "real" as some are posting here already with small samples. (I'm talking "like many many players") What happens when they return or just give RD a fair shot, and they also agree with some of us, that Real Deal is in fact the only Real Deal poker game online? (That's actually 2 bonus questions isn't it.)
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Who's with me! Real Deal Poker! Spread the word! Let's get more oversight for online poker games - Let's make online poker safer and proven safe - by playing on a site designed since day one (by poker players for poker players) for that very reason. Let's play poker on a site that allows players to question the integrity of the games offered and gives these players the ability to have ANY hand audited by an outside, third part security firm.
Adults only - Chill everyone! Breath and answer my what if's if you are PRO "rng" poker. Then watch this funny funny (comedy) video posted in the hot tub by forum member DirtyBurger - (Password if you need it is "hotstuff") Nothing will stop the underdogs at this point. At minimum, eventually, everyone will hear about Real Deal and how it's trying to make online poker safer and more fun for players the world over!
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Are you with me? lol. (watch the 6 min video) so funny! (Picking on my tattoo.. lol) (Badass!) (Smurf) OMG! (Tears in my eyes) I can laugh at myself.. I wonder if the RNG crowd can? I wonder if they will post their full names with their replies.
Do all of us a favor and DO NOT respond to this thread unless you read the special rules of this thread. It's an answer them all or non at all deal.
So far I had to delete "2" one line replies. READ PEOPLE. This is a special THREAD.
Let me explain why It's an answer all or nothing thread. I feel our side needs to see rng players answers as a whole and not one at a time - to get the real quality picture in our heads and a much better idea on how they think and what makes them not want more security for online players. What makes them not want to play poker online with a Real Deck of playing cards (If it's proven fair and honest) Or maybe.. something else will happen, maybe we will "see something new" get a clearer picture as to how all of us have it so wrong.
I'm willing to think different ways - on any of this.. But I need this debate to be clutter free and without silly 3rd grader insults. Let's do this one and let's play some hard ball. It's not an easy one.. Take your time. Online poker is not going anywhere. There will be action for you when your done - I assure you. Hopefully with me on Real Deal Poker one day.
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