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PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 28th, 2011 PokerStars will no longer offer Double or Nothing Sit & Go’s, Effective February 28th, 2011

02-25-2011 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
OK here's your Merge rundown:

-Rake is twice as much ($50+4 instead of $50+2)
-Blind levels are 7 minutes, so it makes the rake slightly more acceptable
-Traffic's decent from about noon to midnight EST, but really falls off in the AM
-DoNs are split up into 10-man and 6-man tables and for some reason the 6-man are way more popular
-You probably won't be able to 30-table, but the software isn't nearly as good as Stars so it's hard to play more than 15-20 at once anyway
-The middle stakes game seem to go off almost as often as low stakes, so if you wanna mix $20-$50, you can probably get 20 going at peak times, but if you play $5-$10, your peak will probably also be 20 games
-Hopefully traffic picks up a bit in March once Merge becomes the best option for American DoN players
Thanks a lot fossil. Actually i only played non-turbo dons anyway so the 7 minute levels are much better than cake.
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02-25-2011 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bishop22
HM was still real buggy last time I tried it on Merge, would only work on 1 table per limit.
I wrote a letter to merge support about this, they said they are going to fix this problem in a week or two.
And the structure there is not so great, really similar to Stars turbo DoNs, because there are no 15/30 and 125/250 levels, so you reach 150/300 level at the same time.
I was tying to play 10max, but the 10$ level is the top level where you can 6table maximum. So I'm back to stars, playing 9max turbos with lots of ex-DoN regs trying them out .
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02-25-2011 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bishop22
I was surprised at the number of DONs going on Bodog, you can only 4 table of course but you can get the limit up to the $20 level and mix in some $50, rewards suck compared to Merge so effective rake is probably higher.

HM was still real buggy last time I tried it on Merge, would only work on 1 table per limit.
No more problem with the new PT3 beta4 Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! a chance after the last Merge update the hud look like hell
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02-25-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
Sorry, just a little vague Office humor from the episode where Charles asks Jim to type up a rundown.
Don't worry I got the reference
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02-26-2011 , 02:51 AM
so are you all wearing black and mourning yet?
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02-26-2011 , 12:01 PM
hope that winning the lambo will make easier the transition to other format/site
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02-26-2011 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
Sorry, just a little vague Office humor from the episode where Charles asks Jim to type up a rundown.
lol, its ok. hey, i heard from seth via pm (he's staff at carbon). They are wise in contacting ppl. Carbon seems like our best bet. I didn't realize till last night that bodog only lets u play 4 tables at a time which makes getting their terrible bonus even harder. It's either cake or carbon and carbon seems like the most solid (bigger rakeback and more traffic). Im still anxious for march, to see which one of those 2 gets the most traffic from the players that stars decided they don't want business from anymore. I'm over it. I could care less now. Pokerstars, like i said, is headed for failure anyway. They are like the democrats (and I am one lol), they roll over for the us government at any sign of them ruinng their chances to get a license (a license they are never gonne get come regulation). Full Tilt and the other smaller sites are much more likely to take a stand and operate with or without regulation. **** stars. DONE! when i see thier tardo commercials now, I feel like puking.

What is so sad is that I really used to love the site. NO MORE THOUGH!!! I WAS LOVE DRUNK ON THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE SITE (TRAFFIC, CUST SERV AND AVAILIBILTY OF GAMES) but now i'm hungover, lol. Good going stars support. You lost a good customer (and many more besides me). One would think that they would wanna party it up and keep as much biz as possible before they are out of the market come the end of the year but i guess they want an even earlier burial. Stars employees, have fun on your job hunts. I just took almost all the rest of my roll off. I kept a little in in case they change their minds last minute about dons. When i log on 3/1 if there are no dons there, my last check is being requested and i will never go back to their failing business. I'm glad anyway, cause i rellay, really believe that they totally thin out skilled player edges by hitting the doomswitch in weird situations in hands. Even with that, i was able to win but i would have won a whole lot more if the statistics that are supposed to play out over time behaved themselves. i am not some amatuer player who played 1,000 hands rather i have played hundreds of 1000s if not more, and the numbers are totally off for most situations. My sampling is huse and it does not work out even close to what it should be. I see the same crap over and over again. I always was agaisnt regualtion but i am starting to want it cause then i know my cards are random rather than being in predetermined situations so the fish can feel like they can win. total setup. i am convinced.



You did real well with this decision support. I love ur 50.50 traffic. they are doing really well. lmao. so funny how the don traffic is still quadruple. i guess u guys believe 3/1 it will transition to that but ur wrong and u guys realize it now. u already lost players thiss month and will lose many more next month regarding this. those 50/50s will be gone in 2 months cause the traffic will be so low u will axe them. i give them 60-90 days tops.

Last edited by seanysean; 02-26-2011 at 07:03 PM.
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02-26-2011 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DoN_Grinder
I wrote a letter to merge support about this, they said they are going to fix this problem in a week or two.
And the structure there is not so great, really similar to Stars turbo DoNs, because there are no 15/30 and 125/250 levels, so you reach 150/300 level at the same time.
I was tying to play 10max, but the 10$ level is the top level where you can 6table maximum. So I'm back to stars, playing 9max turbos with lots of ex-DoN regs trying them out .
wair a minute, can u elaborate...im confues. Can i only play 6 dons at once there? the poker ad sites say u can play as many as u want.....

if carbon is smart, they will work with us. Seth is the guy to private message. He's registered here as vip carbon staff so do a search and then message him with ur concerns. They really want our biz. He's been messaging players (inc. myself) to get us to make the switch. Very smart of them to do this. They are picking up the players that Joker is giving away. I hope stars realizes by now the misudgement they have made BUT live by ur sword, die by ur sword.

Last edited by seanysean; 02-26-2011 at 07:26 PM.
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02-26-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
OK here's your Merge rundown:

-Rake is twice as much ($50+4 instead of $50+2)
-Blind levels are 7 minutes, so it makes the rake slightly more acceptable
-Traffic's decent from about noon to midnight EST, but really falls off in the AM
-DoNs are split up into 10-man and 6-man tables and for some reason the 6-man are way more popular
-You probably won't be able to 30-table, but the software isn't nearly as good as Stars so it's hard to play more than 15-20 at once anyway
-The middle stakes game seem to go off almost as often as low stakes, so if you wanna mix $20-$50, you can probably get 20 going at peak times, but if you play $5-$10, your peak will probably also be 20 games
-Hopefully traffic picks up a bit in March once Merge becomes the best option for American DoN players
-Merge doesn't actively look for cheating in DoNs
-Merge doesn't ban people for cheating when you show it to them
-Merge won't pay you back when you get cheated
-Merge won't care when you cheated
-Your reg opponents will start cheating too when they figure out the above 4 points
-Then there will be scandal
-Then Merge will say **** it get rid of these things

Back to square one.
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02-26-2011 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
-Merge doesn't actively look for cheating in DoNs
-Merge doesn't ban people for cheating when you show it to them
-Merge won't pay you back when you get cheated
-Merge won't care when you cheated
-Your reg opponents will start cheating too when they figure out the above 4 points
-Then there will be scandal
-Then Merge will say **** it get rid of these things

Back to square one.
suuure dude. There is cheating all over. If u are a good enough player u can overcome that. You guys make it like cheaters ere so successful. it doesnt always work.
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02-26-2011 , 08:26 PM
Hello sean. What stakes do you play by the way?

And do any of you guys get burnout a lot from playing these dons? I play a good amount but only at 10s and some 20s.
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02-26-2011 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Joejerry99999
Hello sean. What stakes do you play by the way?

And do any of you guys get burnout a lot from playing these dons? I play a good amount but only at 10s and some 20s.
do u ever get burnt out from making money lol. no i dont get burnt out. my hands gets tired though lol
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02-26-2011 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by seanysean
suuure dude. There is cheating all over. If u are a good enough player u can overcome that. You guys make it like cheaters ere so successful. it doesnt always work.
Awesome reply. I stand corrected.
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02-26-2011 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
-Merge doesn't actively look for cheating in DoNs
-Merge doesn't ban people for cheating when you show it to them
-Merge won't pay you back when you get cheated
-Merge won't care when you cheated
-Your reg opponents will start cheating too when they figure out the above 4 points
-Then there will be scandal
-Then Merge will say **** it get rid of these things

Back to square one.
-PokerStars say screw you DoN's Players
-PokerStars say screw you Casual Players
-PokerStars laughing at SnG players with their riduculous promo's
-Your Nitty reg opponents will time out every time, too busy multi-tabling!
-PokerStars already got their scandals


Adios PokerStars!
I will miss your quick cash out on my Visa

Viva RPM poker!
Bouha! Nice freaky Promo too!

Last edited by Dlogic; 02-26-2011 at 09:15 PM.
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02-26-2011 , 09:10 PM
sean what stakes do you play by the way? I must have played with you if you play the 10s and 20s.
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02-26-2011 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by seanysean
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wair a minute, can u elaborate...im confues. Can i only play 6 dons at once there? the poker ad sites say u can play as many as u want.....
Of course you can, but the traffic is so low, that there are not enough tournaments running.
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02-26-2011 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by seanysean
do u ever get burnt out from making money lol. no i dont get burnt out. my hands gets tired though lol
plenty of people get burnt out from making money. You see many investment bankers that are burnt out by 30. There have been poker pros that get burnt out from the WSOP. Another quality reply.
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02-27-2011 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
fifty50 is a good name considering how many coin flips there are
lol now that was funny
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02-27-2011 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by seanysean
lol, its ok. hey, i heard from seth via pm (he's staff at carbon). They are wise in contacting ppl. Carbon seems like our best bet. I didn't realize till last night that bodog only lets u play 4 tables at a time which makes getting their terrible bonus even harder. It's either cake or carbon and carbon seems like the most solid (bigger rakeback and more traffic). Im still anxious for march, to see which one of those 2 gets the most traffic from the players that stars decided they don't want business from anymore. I'm over it. I could care less now. Pokerstars, like i said, is headed for failure anyway. They are like the democrats (and I am one lol), they roll over for the us government at any sign of them ruinng their chances to get a license (a license they are never gonne get come regulation). Full Tilt and the other smaller sites are much more likely to take a stand and operate with or without regulation. **** stars. DONE! when i see thier tardo commercials now, I feel like puking.

What is so sad is that I really used to love the site. NO MORE THOUGH!!! I WAS LOVE DRUNK ON THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE SITE (TRAFFIC, CUST SERV AND AVAILIBILTY OF GAMES) but now i'm hungover, lol. Good going stars support. You lost a good customer (and many more besides me). One would think that they would wanna party it up and keep as much biz as possible before they are out of the market come the end of the year but i guess they want an even earlier burial. Stars employees, have fun on your job hunts. I just took almost all the rest of my roll off. I kept a little in in case they change their minds last minute about dons. When i log on 3/1 if there are no dons there, my last check is being requested and i will never go back to their failing business. I'm glad anyway, cause i rellay, really believe that they totally thin out skilled player edges by hitting the doomswitch in weird situations in hands. Even with that, i was able to win but i would have won a whole lot more if the statistics that are supposed to play out over time behaved themselves. i am not some amatuer player who played 1,000 hands rather i have played hundreds of 1000s if not more, and the numbers are totally off for most situations. My sampling is huse and it does not work out even close to what it should be. I see the same crap over and over again. I always was agaisnt regualtion but i am starting to want it cause then i know my cards are random rather than being in predetermined situations so the fish can feel like they can win. total setup. i am convinced.



You did real well with this decision support. I love ur 50.50 traffic. they are doing really well. lmao. so funny how the don traffic is still quadruple. i guess u guys believe 3/1 it will transition to that but ur wrong and u guys realize it now. u already lost players thiss month and will lose many more next month regarding this. those 50/50s will be gone in 2 months cause the traffic will be so low u will axe them. i give them 60-90 days tops.
It is very obvious that PS is marketing to Russia, Spain,Brazil and China. I think they are bracing to lose the US Market.
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02-27-2011 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by t_roy
This is from another thread here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hinese-981572/

My post: "I believe that Steve has said several times that dons are not being closed due to security reasons. Personally, I doubt that, but that has been the company line."

Steve's response: "I don't recall ever posting that nor saying it."

Microroller in response to Steve: "If I remember correctly you said it multiple times in the Pokercast."

Steve's response: "I am quite certain that I did not. I believe t_roy has relistened to the pokercast and has come to the same conclusion."


Notice that Steve goes out of his way to deny my comment twice. This is very telling imo. Also notice that he doesn't make and attempt to clarify the statement he made on the pokercast. On the pokercast Steve said that poker stars was able to police the games. This does not mean that there is not a large amount of collusion going on. Imo it was more like him saying that stars security did a great job of policing the games. If he was allowed to elaborate I think he would have said something like. "Our security does a great job but they can only catch cheaters after they have already cheated players out of lots of money."

The dons seem to still be more popular than the fifty50s anyway. So I think the only logical reason for dons to be removed was that there was just to much collusion going on and that stars could not adequately deal with it. There has even been speculation that some kind of Russian don scandal is about to come to light.

Also there were tons of fish in dons so I doubt it has anything to do with the average-player experience. If the games were dried up then none of the regs would be complaining anyway. The regs are complaining because stars is destroying a juicy game that fish loved.

If stars thought that they were making an improvement then they should allow both to exist side by side for a few months and see if the fifty 50s become more popular than the dons or not. Despite the outcry for keeping dons, Steve has stated several times that the decision is not being reconsidered. That is pretty telling as well.
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve
I don't recall ever posting that nor saying it. The announcement of DoN removal contains the following:

"The value of each chip in Fifty50s also makes situations where some players may softplay each other less attractive than in Double or Nothings. Some forms of poker invite this sort of implicit collusion more than others, as the rewards are greater and costs are smaller for making such plays. The Fifty50 format is an improvement over the Double or Nothing format in this regard as there is always a cost for a player to make a decision that doesn’t maximize the size of their own chip stack."

You did say it on podcast and in fact said that more people had been hired in security. You point was that DON was JUST a BAD format period. I find this comical. The players and the traffic should decide whether they stay or go. Who are you and your cronnies to decide that a hugely popular format sucks?
Just say the truth, YOU were tired of the constant collusion complaints, issuing refunds and headaches.

You must think we are morons. You don't kill a popular game because YOU think it is a bad format....lmao <fail>
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02-27-2011 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by xxIcemanxx
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve
I don't recall ever posting that nor saying it. The announcement of DoN removal contains the following:

"The value of each chip in Fifty50s also makes situations where some players may softplay each other less attractive than in Double or Nothings. Some forms of poker invite this sort of implicit collusion more than others, as the rewards are greater and costs are smaller for making such plays. The Fifty50 format is an improvement over the Double or Nothing format in this regard as there is always a cost for a player to make a decision that doesn’t maximize the size of their own chip stack."

You did say it on podcast and in fact said that more people had been hired in security. You point was that DON was JUST a BAD format period. I find this comical. The players and the traffic should decide whether they stay or go. Who are you and your cronnies to decide that a hugely popular format sucks?
Just say the truth, YOU were tired of the constant collusion complaints, issuing refunds and headaches.

You must think we are morons. You don't kill a popular game because YOU think it is a bad format....lmao <fail>
wat?? look at healthcare reform. It's popular, but incredibly dumb. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's correct. But I guess based on that logic you are a big Justin Bieber fan.
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02-27-2011 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by xxIcemanxx
It is very obvious that PS is marketing to Russia, Spain,Brazil and China. I think they are bracing to lose the US Market.
they are done in the us. they ****ing know it already. get em outta here!!! the cards are not random (it;s a business model to keep the lower skilled players on the site and it's so obvious. they have nobody to answer to. i do believe it is rigged (almost 99 percent sure). Keep in mind, i never used to beleive this but in analyzing huge sampling of hands of good players vs. bad players it is amazing how much the bad players' variance is where it should be or better and the good players are consistently cold decked over time. They are so good (the really good players) that we can overcome cold decks and make profit over time BUT we would have made much much more if not for that. Stars talks about colluders when in fact they are the biggest cheaters of all. This site is rigged as a business model to keep players on it. I just went through my hand histories dating back a couple of years and when my comp crunhced the numbers the percentages were completely off. again, i've played 7 figures worth of hands so they whould have worked out to some degree reasonably speaking but they did not. scam!!!!! bring in regulation and get this filthy euro company out the door. Steve won't have a job in a year. lolololol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last edited by seanysean; 02-27-2011 at 01:14 AM.
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02-27-2011 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DoN_Grinder
Of course you can, but the traffic is so low, that there are not enough tournaments running.
it is still feburary. we havent seen march yet. traffic will improve. players are waiting till the last minute to make the switch cause they think they will stay on the site. once 3/1 comes and don regulars dont see them listed anymore will mostly leave for other sites hence improved traffic on other sites.

Last edited by seanysean; 02-27-2011 at 01:15 AM.
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02-27-2011 , 01:11 AM
I would not even be surprised if stars has an exit date in mind already for the u.s. the same way they did the don's back on october. if u.s. players are wise they will leave now unless they wanna deal with last minute emails saying they have to cashout. I'm looking forward to never having to see their irritating, poorly written commercials anymore where they brag about the high number of players they will soon never have again within the next year.

Last edited by seanysean; 02-27-2011 at 01:18 AM.
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02-27-2011 , 03:35 AM
Jeezus man, can you get any more ******ed? I am awaiting your "and the RNG is rogged" because it's just incredible you haven't indulged in that yet.
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