Did you read a word I said?

Good luck sir

What about rakeback on merge? How much percent could i have there?

I dont know your alternatives but would you not be scared of security issues on the smaller sites?

Despite my amusement at the fairly high level of fail exhibited by most of the DoN regs who have posted itt, I've no real feelings one way or the other about Stars' decision to discontinue them, and I feel equally compelled to comment on your post too.

It is a truly terrible analogy, and your sense of entitlement regarding "your" STTs is as laughable, as idiotic and as misplaced as that of many of the DoN regs ITT who have ranted on ad infinitum about their own sense of entitlement.

"Your customers" were not taken from you when DoNs were launched, they were simply offered a competing product, and it turned out that many of them preferred that alternative once they had seen it. A new competitor coming into the market is something which happens every day in the commerical world and as it is there, so it is the same here; the successful player adapts to the new market situation, while the unsuccessful one withers and dies.

The same will be true here for soon-to-be former DoN regs on Stars; the strong will move on and find profit elsewhere in poker, the weak will just complain and feel sorry for themselves. In a volatile market the best players will not put all their eggs in one basket with just one game, but instead will make sure they are versed in a wide range of games so that, like a canny investor, they can absorb the impact of a loss of a small part of their "portfolio". Anyone who doesn't have anything else to fall back on is playing the wider game very badly indeed anyway.

Very weak minded statement. That is like saying a Heart Specialist put all his eggs in one basket because he did not also go to Dental school. Ridiculous.

lol, and here we have someone who fails even harder at analogies


Your unintentional irony is coming along nicely though

No TT it's an apt analogy, what if 1 day god decides humans no longer need a heart to live?

Btw guys if u don`t like the traffic on one site , you can play multiple sites something highstakes SNG-Regs do for years now. It shouldn`t be to hard to adjust to other games imo (I play MTT-SNGs STTs etc and also player Hyperturbos for a while and didn`t find it hard to adjust to an other type, once you understand payoutstructures it`s pretty natural for you).

chaps, we have a 3rd contender for fail of the day.

Comparing humans suddenly not needing a heart to a company suddenly removing one of their products is just possibly the biggest fail I've seen in this thread. And considering the competition, that's actually a pretty solid achievement.

Also, hate to be the one to break the bad news to you sunshine, but

no, it's not like saying that. at all

now u know what i've been going through ITT. lock this crap imo

Rightly or wrongly, it still explains the glee lots of 50/30/20 regs feel about the DoNs getting axed (actually it doesn't effect me either as I don't play on Stars, but my hope is the "revolution" will spread! ).

Juk

Juk has a point, each time a new format is offered it splits up the player pool. A site like Stars has enough players they can get away with it, but smaller sites follow suit and it destroys the games because players are spread too thin.

Since I've moved my play to FTP I can only hope they never add DoNs. They already have the SuperTurbos in addition to normal & turbo speed sngs, the traffic simply can't support another game.

Most of the top DON players are highly enough skilled to be profitable at most formats (as they did pre-DONS)

They were just smart enough to have realized how profitable DON's actually were as opposed to 9/18/45 mans (Yaawwnn/LOL) etc ..

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lol indeed

The base rate is 35%, but Carbon and RPM have lots of rake races and promos that brings this up to potentially 65%+ with enough volume and even with minimal volume 45% is not hard to attain.

Yes I would be more concerned with collusion, but it is a tradeoff. When I first decided to play Stars, I was willing to put up with tougher games b/c of better customer service. Now that I am contemplating moving to a smaller network, I'm willing to give up some things in order to play the game I like on a softer overall network. After 75k DoNs or whatever crazy # it is I've played, I have a pretty good idea of what my ROI should be based on the level of opposition I see, so I should have a pretty good idea of how much I'm being colluded against. Even if the collusion is worse than Stars, if I'm still able to beat the games for a decent enough amount despite it, I'll put up with it.

yeah you're getting softer games, which is the trade off from not being able to 30-40 table. then ur getting a worthless security team ontop of it. why not just change to cash? colluders will move to other don sites too...there's going to be more scandals and then those sites are going to remove dons too. you're better off changing now, not later imo, but do what you like

hopefully the normal and Turbo sngs come back to life now. The DONs really killed their player pool on Stars

Great Move Stars!!!!

According to this, PokerStars should get rid of satellites as well then.

I agree about this. The SNG pool is getting split up WAY too much. Regular speed, turbos, knockouts, now Fifty/50s (so any consolidation benefit from dropping DONs is negated by adding 50/50s). It's getting ridiculous.

Well, single table satellites in which half the players cash are a pretty extreme version which is obviously much better for colluders (since they can choose to sit at the same table and a high % of the time they both make it to the bubble). I think it would be interesting if stars does something similar with satellites and gives some sort of cash prize for the amount of chips you finish with.

Please keep highly charged political/theological/philosophical statements such as "god doesn't exist" out of this thread. There are other 2+2 forums for those discussions. By the way, "God" is a proper noun and should be capitalized.

I was just playing a miniFTOPs satellite earlier and came across the earlier statement. I do think it's a bit of a stretch, but you do come across a similar dynamic in multi-table satellites when less than 9 are paid.

Maybe Stars could add cash bonuses for the top 2 or 3 and take it out of the money that would usually go to the ticket bubble boy (who wins an amount of cash less than the ticket value).

So say there is an $11 satellite to a $109 SCOOP event with 80 runners ($800 in prizepool). Currently, top 7 would be paid tickets with $37 going to 8th (if there wasn't a cap to how much cash someone could win). Under the revised payout, top 7 would be paid and a % of the $37 would be distributed to the top 2 or 3. Maybe a 70/30 split or 50/30/20 split, etc.

I don't think stars would want to force people to play out satellites to the end. If they make any change at all, it will probably be something pretty similar to the DoN -> 50/50 switch.

Does it help to alleviate collusion when fields are bigger than single tables (such as in satellites)?

Could Double-Or-Nothings be offered as multi-table tournaments, like 100 player games?