The incentive not to cheat is the risk of getting caught and losing all the money you have on the site. The problem with the fifty50s is that it will most likely be much less risky because collusion will be much harder to catch. The risk/reward will probably end up similar to the dons for colluders.

LOL. Way to not even read a post that you quote.

suure, dude. ill tilt off the bankroll that has NEVER been reloaded by anything other than profit. You don't know what ur talkinh about. The only way this roll is being tilted off is if i go register for $500.00 + 25.00 hu sngs and sit out in all of them for the next two weeks, not to mention, Id have to reload from my bank account to cover the profit cashouts i made over the last month. you don't know me and you don't know what the f u are talking about. I doubt i'm "tilting" off years worth of profit by the 28th. Besides, ive played for over 5 yrs online, I learned to control tilt 3 yrs ago dude. i doubt u can since ur the one mentioning it. I already cashed out bud. I have basically nothing left in my account (less than $300. I would have $0 if they would have let me cashout for more than $2500 at a time). I will be reqiesting a check for the remaining 3 bills when i am eligible for my next cashout on monday. It's been a gr8 4 yrs stars. Thanks for the memories and especially thanks for this brilliant maneuver ("decision") that sent me packing. Upward and onward. peace out. Once our economic issues are worked out a little bit more and there is more time in congress to take a look at online poker regulation ...you guys are history anyway in my country. There is no prayer for a license being issued to pokerstars. Those will surely be reserved for Harrah's/Trump/Wynn etc etc etc.

I don't understand why US players don't realize that they will be looking for a new site soon so may as well do it now. This company will be a thing of the past soon and they know it. I think they finally realized that even if they behave themselves by ducking out of certain markets (ie washington st.) that they will still never win over the special interests who will decide their ability to receive a US license to operate. Those politicians don't give a F about stars. If Stars had Wynn somewhere in their name than they would care but they don't. GET YOUR $$$ OFF THIS SITE NOW US PLAYERS! CAUSE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT U WILL BUILD CERTAIN VPP LEVELS ONLY TO FIND THE RUG SWEPT FROM UNDER UR FEET IN THE MIDDLE OF A MONTH WHEN U THINK U ARE GETTING TO UR NEXT LEVEL/STELLAR AWARD ETC. THIS COMPANY IS TOTALLY F^CKED IN THE U.S. MARKET PRETTY SOON. ....AND WILL PROBABLY BE DONE ALTOGETHER UNLESS THEY FEEL THEY CAN SURVIVE ON SOME OF EUROPE AND SOME OF ASIA. LOLOL!!!!

This is why i feel it is so strange to bury a format, in turn sending players away, at such a sensitive time when they know they will soon by dying for a dollar come regulation (which is where this country is leaning on a state to state basis and prolly on a fed level eventually). If the economy wasn't such a mess regulation would already have taken place but the politicians are so buried to their heads in other stuff to worry about that they simply don't have the time. That will change though and so will pokerstars' US run. The writing is on the wall for US players...you will be pokersite shopping relatively soon compliments of the US gov't (when they tell Stars it's time to hit the rail). One thinng good that will come out of it is that the cards dealt will be certified to be random. I'm not even accusing stars of that, but unfortunately there is no proof to believe otherwise (no controls). At least with US sites, we will be able to know we can trust that aspect of them. Gaming control will not allow that. I have to say, I have def believed at various points that Stars does have a doomswitch. I've played many years and my hand stats (over 100's of 1000's of hands) are not even close in number to where they should be as far as certain situations occuring in weird spots.

Yeah, i think so, too.

misread it, yes. at work so dont have time. ur math is fuzzy and u are in a fog. u are a person who relies on wizard (i never use any tools EVER) so it all makes sense. You cant crunch theories yourtself so think wizard can do it FOR YOU. get a life. Ive been a winning player for years yet never had to rely on webtools other than tracking my stats on prolabs and scope. like i said, get a life and grow a brain.

so i got under your skin so much and you didnt have any comebacks so you went looking for a comeback...lol

Well then if you went looking you should have found that i do play small buy in Omaha H/L because high buy in Omaha H/L doesnt fill. You can try to insult me but my results are better than yours, sharkscope even has my player rating higher than yours on Cake, Fulltilt, Cereus,and Pokerstars. How many people can say they have 7 top ten battle of the planet finishes this year with 2 of those finishes being wins? Fact is i CRUSH the games i play. i have one cash on Fulltilt that is more than all your profits on every site you listed. Funny how it took you 12000 games to win 8k and i have won around half that in 650 games on cereus alone.

Im sure youll have some immature comeback. Im going to let you get the last word. I wont respond to any more of your posts because im ashamed that ive sunk to your immature level.

Ok let us stop the rambling here. Allow us to do this. If you are AGAINST DON being vanished, please sign your name(type) here. Quote and type again, please 1 name only and when the list is full I will copy it and send to stars. Real name, 2+2 name or stars name whatever you like.

1-Icevenom

Is it not also true that they could also win 1.1:1, so the 5 to 1 player also takes equity from his fellow colluder?

When did Stars say that? I saw Steve say:

duh, they split it via paypal after it hits thier bank accounts. DUH!!!!

Dude u got some inner demons. You should buy a puppie! Something to love.

I don't play DoN very often... but, just a word on collusion...

Collusion doesn't change AT ALL due to this. Dumping chips from one person to another, if you're on a team, changes the value by zero. Since there is value in cashing, dumping to one person still shows a profit (albeit, one that is 75% the size of the original).

This thread started all rainbows and lollipops that DONs had been fixed and very little colluding. now guys are bringing up sharkscope charts and saying how corrupt the games are. Maybe not the best let's keep the dons please stars, strategy.

I was corrected in another thread. On the 2+2 pokercast Steve said that the fifty50s were not a direct response to the chinese scandal. He also said that dons were not being canceled because stars was unable to police them. I remembered incorrectly. You can see where I got that from though.

If you ever have to write a 30-page term paper, or any kind of proposal or analysis for work, you'll going to have a problem. You must be one of those young whippersnappers who only types with his thumbs.

again?

the problem is that your collusion technics and the way to detect it fail a lot. I dont even know how it can fail soo hard since you guys have lots of money and everything needed to make the games 100% safe.

-create a player pool
-player notes that make the pool not 100% random
-having a own leaderboard and search thru then every week to spot weird things happening.
-understanding that is not because a guy play straight 1 time against 1 player that it makes him a NON COLLUDER. the fact that they softplay a few times means they are colluding even if they play hard the others. thats how they are doing for ages.....

i know that PS has problem detecting it because it already happend that I sended a HH and they said nothing was wrong. so i saw they doing the same in other times and HH again and complained a lot and just then I got a refund of the game I played. the guys been banned. so where was the rest of the refunds? where? since i played **** tons of games with them.

PS is not fully paying refunds , is not correctly monitoring the games and they are not doing it because they dont want to. and that is what tilts me more, because before I started playing poker for serious I pondered wich site would CARE about the customers and tough it would be PS.

I have 1 refund for 3000t more or less(+-). That hapend everywhere.

In last two months i play over 6000 table 20,8$ & ZERO REFUND.

I asking Pokerstars: Collusion is reall problem in Yours site in DoN SNG??

100% agree on this... Pokerstars just failed huge at DON support,thats basicly main reason for shuting them down..why should they care.

But at Pokerstars security team there are some changes to be done or cheaters will still have huge edge on them.

2 - Magic.merny

Catching collusion is hard. DoNs were really really perfect for collusion and their nature makes it very hard for anyone to identify collusion. In other words, the fact that there are often times in DoNs where your decision has huge effects on the equity of other players but virtually no effect on your own equity is a pretty big problem from a security perspective.

50/50s were clearly designed to be similar to DoNs but much less susceptible to collusion. Collusion is of course still possible in 50/50s, but it's MUCH less profitable (less than half as profitable, actually) and MUCH easier to catch.

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How is collusion going to be much easier to catch?

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i am wondering the same thing


im going to repost this.
in this situation if the hero folded a premium hand so that player 2 would survive how would pokerstars be able to tell if the hero was team playing with player 2 or he was just trying to keep him alive so that he could continue to bully the other players in the tourney and increase his payout?

i know in sit n gos if im a big stack and im punishing the bubble and stealing a ton of blinds i will keep the bubble going as long as i can...sometime that means softplaying the shortstack.

Proper strat could be that the big stack should always keep the shorty alive. (not sure but it's a possibility.) Then if the big stack has a medium stacked teammate, the big stack could collude by attacking the shorty. The logical thing to do (for most people) would be for the big stack to attack the shorty so you can't really look at something like that and say "That's collusion."

It gets pretty complicated. Instead of colluding by playing hands weird vs. your partner you can collude by playing hands differently vs everyone but your partner. Seems like it would be next to impossible to catch.