wow your a degenerate, it has nothing to do with the call nice try, listen to where he says phil gordon uses the HOLE CARD CAMERA, then he says well blah blah ofc i do blah blah...your such a sad little man. any REAL poker player can read there faces, hear the way they are talking, etc...and understand exactly what is being said you wiki and that other clown are saddd sadddd little men....

Phil is used to using hole card cam because he is usually an announcer on shows and thus can see the hole card cam. They didn't mean while he was playing (live or online). They were talking about the hole cam card he can see while he's an announcer for shows. What exactly did you want to talk about regarding Phil Gordon seeing the hole card cam while announcing live poker games for TV?



Also how exactly does analyzing a hand of poker make someone a degenerate?

I've posted this like half a dozen times in this thread but people keep bringing the action hand theory even though it makes no sense:




Rake is capped ... usually rake is like 5% with a max of like $3. Say we're playing with $100 stacks at a .5/$1 table. Each player puts in $30 so a pot of $60. 5% of $60 is $3 so $3 is the rake but that's it ... rake is now maxxed out. Each player has $70 left but if each player puts that $70 in the pot no new rake is collected on that $140 ... still just $3 rake.

So pot stays at $60 site collects $3 rake and game continues and more rake is collected ....... players go all-in for last $70 dollars and site collects $3 rake and one player loses all money and game is over and no more rake is collected.

If you were the site which would you prefer?




As you can see for poker sites to maximize their profits they need players to have money and keep playing. For them to maximize profits they want lots of medium sized pots and lots of split pots and would most likely rather err from medium sized pots toward smaller pots rather than larger pots so players don't get wiped out and the games can keep going and they can keep collecting.

Yet for some reason nearly every single rigged theory has the idea that sites give setup hands or cause huge beats or something with the goal toward inflating the size of the pot. In reality making the pots bigger is not what the sites want to do ... it is near the opposite of what they want to do.

magicrun, congrats you've now exhibited enough trollish behavior to get added to my ignore list. It's filled with the best of the best rigtard trolls. You are part of a special group which includes poofinger and AMEC.

I think posting the same irrelevant youtube link 3 times within a matter of minutes put you over the top.

Best wishes to you, and watch out for those Russians.

Oh another thing........ if you do play remember this amazing tip.
Less outs means you have a higher chance of winning.

No im not joking or taking the piss, its the mathmatics involved on pokerstars.

If you have the choice of a flush with 2 overs or a gutshot take the gutshot you will river it.
Also if you get in with AK vs QK, QK wins most of the time.

Its the mathmatics involved with pokerstars, less outs = more to give the fish a better chance of winning.
I got all in a couple times last night and lost 5 BI's in a row to almost the same hand.

It was A8s vs J9 board came A107 with 2 spades and he rivered a 8.
Then i get all in with QQ vs 99... A36 all diamonds i have Qd he doesnt have a d rivers the 9 that isnt a diamond.
After that i get all in with AQc on 10K7 K10c he has K9 and it goes xx.

Less outs = better chance of winning.
Remember that golden rule for beating poker on pokerstars i mean action rigstars.

Is there something enjoyable about talking out of your ass, making assertions about things that have been proven wrong?

Lol just as i finished typing action rig stars does another one and i find it funny so ill post the rigging awesomeness of this website.

Guy limps [Guranteed to win]

Ive got 95
Board comes A99
Turn 5
River K

Whats he got?

AA LAWWWWWWWWWL.

Only on action rig stars does it do that.

To clarify:


Phil Gordon was the announcer on Celebrity Poker. In that clip Lindgren didn't like the way Gordon was talking after the hand. He was probably upset after losing and maybe felt Gordon was upstaging him or poking at a wound. Anyway he was making fun of Gordon and said he was used to looking at the hole card camera as a reference to Phil Gordon being the announcer for Celebrity Poker. I believe he's also announced some other shows in his time. That was a small jab Lindgren was taking at Gordon.

It has nothing to do with online poker.

LOL, good.

Unless you plan on actually getting off your lazy ass and putting together a study with evidence that proves rigging or at least leads us down that path, you might want to take your bullcrap to BBV.

Posting nothing but bad beat stories with nothing of substance to back up your crackpot theories will only lead to banning. If I recall that was what led to K13 getting the boot.

If it really is rigged, we all want to know. The problem? You're doing nothing to help us come to that conclusion. NOTHING.

Then they would have to get a real job, or learn how to play poker.

Congratulations Poker Stars ...... you are rigging your way to less money:



Rake is capped ... usually rake is like 5% with a max of like $3. Say we're playing with $100 stacks at a .5/$1 table. Each player puts in $30 so a pot of $60. 5% of $60 is $3 so $3 is the rake but that's it ... rake is now maxxed out. Each player has $70 left but if each player puts that $70 in the pot no new rake is collected on that $140 ... still just $3 rake.

So pot stays at $60 site collects $3 rake and game continues and more rake is collected ....... players go all-in for last $70 dollars and site collects $3 rake and one player loses all money and game is over and no more rake is collected.

If you were the site which would you prefer?




As you can see for poker sites to maximize their profits they need players to have money and keep playing. For them to maximize profits they want lots of medium sized pots and lots of split pots and would most likely rather err from medium sized pots toward smaller pots rather than larger pots so players don't get wiped out and the games can keep going and they can keep collecting.

Yet for some reason nearly every single rigged theory has the idea that sites give setup hands or cause huge beats or something with the goal toward inflating the size of the pot. In reality making the pots bigger is not what the sites want to do ... it is near the opposite of what they want to do.

They are very hard to pick out.

That is what the paid employees of poker sites do, make the real progression of thought in this thread impossible to follow.

/before move

So then put your money where your mouth is and make a fortune off of getting it in way behind and limping monsters.

I'm sure all the people you've seen do this are just crushing the games if you look them up on PTR, so join in the next goldrush.

What did the sites say when you alerted them of this?

Something that makes it hard to follow is the fact that the same allegations get brought up constantly even though they've been refuted dozens of times.

How many time shave people claimed this action board theory? How many times have people claimed the sites are unregulated? It's been settled but somebody will bring it up again.

Plus all the people who just pop in to post bad beats from time to time.

Plus contradictory allegations: Some people claim shortstacks win too often, others claim big stacks win too often, etc.



And your constant complaining that some people clutter the thread only clutters the thread more.

magicrun is clearly a shill hired by the poker sites to bury BS's posts with the same youtube link over and over again.

Shut me up some, then.
Put me in my place.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...=#post18604909

Did anyone else catch what he thought was happening in that youtube link? I didn't get it at first, but I think he thought the players were talking about Phil Gordon having a hole card cam and being able to see everyone's cards online.

i will ignore you the same, along with wiki. then this thread can get back on topic, congrats wiki you dodged every logical question put infront of you. welcome to ignore.

thats exactly what they were talking about, maybe if your wittle mind hears it 100x more times you can comprehend it.

I assume plenty of the zillions of FTP MAers will thank you a lot for providing this info.

Also, lots of 2+2ers will have you to name the source. Is this the way your source wanted you to handle this? WP.

Im not going to name the source, period.

That's the level in which these guys think. Fact is you just can't debate with people who see things on such a simple level. Like talking to a wall...

I don't play O8 and therefore I don't have any hand histories that are relevant to that.

Why don't you collect the data and do the work?