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05-05-2010 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
when I say people, I mean people. Half the traffic in micro/low limit cashgames are bots.
Do you have anything to support the assertion that half of the player base in micro/low cash games are bots?
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05-05-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
are you infact stating that CBS and 60 minutes have posted pure blatant lies about the authenticity of whether or not online poker is illegal under US law?
I'm stating that I believe that CBS and 60's minutes are incorrect in their statement that playing online poker is illegal. The only thing they referenced was the UIGEA and in fact the UIGEA didn't make playing anything illegal.
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05-05-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Do you have anything to support the assertion that half of the player base in micro/low cash games are bots?
do you have anything to support the assertion that half the players are NOT bots?
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05-05-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I'm stating that I believe that CBS and 60's minutes are incorrect in their statement that playing online poker is illegal. The only thing they referenced was the UIGEA and in fact the UIGEA didn't make playing anything illegal.
once again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker#Legality public knowledge. yep just what i thought, a good time to sign offline and switch screen names bud.
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05-05-2010 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker#Legality maybe you should do alittle reading.
I am, in fact, also stating that wikipedia is not an arbiter of US law.

The enactment and interpretation of that law is the province of the U.S. legislature and the U.S. courts, respectively.

Warning: Sudden change of topic

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alot of people quit playing online because its a sham. even if some sites arent rigged they cant stop all the cheating, most people use programs like tournament shark data mining etc. this gives an edge. most players would rather play where they can see a deck being shuffled. cant blame them either. as for bots most people know they exsist.
ROFLMAO.

You just switched from making erroneous assertions about U.S. law to making dubious assertions about rigging a bots.
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05-05-2010 , 04:54 PM
let me get this straight, you shills actually believe that bots are NOT infesting micro and low limit cashgames? Is that what you are saying? And you think people dont already know?
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05-05-2010 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
Once again: Wikipedia is not an arbiter of US law.

The enactment and interpretation of that law is the province of the U.S. legislature and the U.S. courts, respectively.

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The enactment and interpretation of that law is the province of the U.S. legislature and the U.S. courts, respectively.
You are going to re-appear as one of your gimmick accounts?
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05-05-2010 , 04:55 PM
Anyone know why sites have to constantly change their payment processors? I remember when funding online gaming sites was legal. I used echecks on PartyPoker for 5 years, and it was the exact same processor EVERY TIME!!!! How come after 2006, the processor changes every 2 or 3 months?
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05-05-2010 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
let me get this straight, you shills actually believe that bots are NOT infesting micro and low limit cashgames? Is that what you are saying?
There is no specific evidence that they are.

Of course, it is accepted that there are bots in the wild but there is no evidence of infestation.

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And you think people dont already know?
Given the lack of evidence it;s had to argue against the statement that people don't already know.

Some may have suspicions, of course, but they could easily be wrong.#
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05-05-2010 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
There is no specific evidence that they are.

Of course, it is accepted that there are bots in the wild but there is no evidence of infestation.



Given the lack of evidence it;s had to argue against the statement that people don't already know.

Some may have suspicions, of course, but they could easily be wrong.#
so it cannot be proven either way? therefore you are just as right or wrong as us? get it? swim away little fish.
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05-05-2010 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
Anyone know why sites have to constantly change their payment processors?
Yes, payment processors have to work with banks which are financial institutions and it is illegal in the U.S. for financial institutions to enable people to fund poker accounts.

Simple.
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05-05-2010 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Says the muppet arguing on the internet and losing.
and who would be the judge of this contest?
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05-05-2010 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Yes, payment processors have to work with banks which are financial institutions and it is illegal in the U.S. for financial institutions to enable people to fund poker accounts.

Simple.
please, if you are going to tell me to learn how to quote, atleast do so yourself. oh nice, you changed it pretty quick there.
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05-05-2010 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker#Legality maybe you should do alittle reading. alot of people quit playing online because its a sham. even if some sites arent rigged they cant stop all the cheating, most people use programs like tournament shark data mining etc. this gives an edge. most players would rather play where they can see a deck being shuffled. cant blame them either. as for bots most people know they exsist.
I don't really know what you want me to say. If some people don't want to play, whatever. And yea obviously some players on the sites cheat. Some players in casinos cheat too ...... and at least online there are detailed records of everything kept by the sites and the players have large databases of the hands they've played which they can analyze for any problems.



From the wikipedia link you gave:

"According to the UIGEA, "unlawful internet gambling" means to place, receive, or otherwise knowingly transmit a bet or wager by means of the internet where such bet is unlawful under any law in the State in which the bet is initiated, received, or otherwise made. Thus, the UIGEA prohibits online gambling sites from performing transactions with American financial institutions."


So if you read the UIGEA this it appears as though it did not make playing poker online illegal. Basically it prohibits the transfer of funds from a financial institution to an illegal Internet gambling site. Unlawful internet gambling is defined above and is based on what is legal/illegal under state law. UIGEA did not criminalize any actions of players or sites ... only banks ..... and only if the site to which the bank is transferring money accepts bets that are illegal under states' laws.
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05-05-2010 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
so it cannot be proven either way? therefore you are just as right or wrong as us? get it? swim away little fish.
Quite.

That's why I simply say 'there is no evidence of a bot infestation. rather than 'there is no bot infestation'.

The more excitable rigtard style of posters tends to make definite assertions of the form 'there is an infestation of bots'.

Can you see the difference?
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05-05-2010 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
let me get this straight, you shills actually believe that bots are NOT infesting micro and low limit cashgames? Is that what you are saying? And you think people dont already know?
I don't even play limit games. I'll refrain from commenting due to lack of knowledge about limit games.
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05-05-2010 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I don't really know what you want me to say. If some people don't want to play, whatever. And yea obviously some players on the sites cheat. Some players in casinos cheat too ...... and at least online there are detailed records of everything kept by the sites and the players have large databases of the hands they've played which they can analyze for any problems.



From the wikipedia link you gave:

"According to the UIGEA, "unlawful internet gambling" means to place, receive, or otherwise knowingly transmit a bet or wager by means of the internet where such bet is unlawful under any law in the State in which the bet is initiated, received, or otherwise made. Thus, the UIGEA prohibits online gambling sites from performing transactions with American financial institutions."


So if you read the UIGEA this is an important part of it it appears as though it did not make playing poker online illegal. Basically it prohibits the transfer of funds from a financial institution to an illegal Internet gambling site. Unlawful internet gambling is defined above and is based on what is legal/illegal under state law. UIGEA did not criminalize any actions of players or sites ... only banks ..... and only if the site to which the bank is transferring money accepts bets that are illegal under states' laws.
perhaps you should check FTP's policy towards cheating. they feel they are not obligated if you are cheated.
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05-05-2010 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
Anyone know why sites have to constantly change their payment processors? I remember when funding online gaming sites was legal. I used echecks on PartyPoker for 5 years, and it was the exact same processor EVERY TIME!!!! How come after 2006, the processor changes every 2 or 3 months?
The DOJ likes to go after processors. They get to make cash grabs sometimes.
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05-05-2010 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
and who would be the judge of this contest?
Anybody with an IQ above 70 would suffice.

I mean you thought Russian players who knew what cards were coming were taking your money. Let's not forget where this all started.
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05-05-2010 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Quite.

That's why I simply say 'there is no evidence of a bot infestation. rather than 'there is no bot infestation'.

The more excitable rigtard style of posters tends to make definite assertions of the form 'there is an infestation of bots'.

Can you see the difference?
so where is your evidence to prove there is not a bot infestation? you have none. do stay out of this thread, go get a girl friend, maybe even drink your first beer. away with you now.
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05-05-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Anybody with an IQ above 70 would suffice.

I mean you thought Russian players who knew what cards were coming were taking your money. Let's not forget where this all started.
haaa....reread the thread buddy, i infact stated it said russia by the name, doesnt mean they are russian. i would also know for a fact nobody in cleveland has an IQ above 69. the mistake by the lake.
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05-05-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
so where is your evidence to prove there is not a bot infestation? you have none. do stay out of this thread, go get a girl friend, maybe even drink your first beer. away with you now.
Rigtards: Always asking to prove a negative, a logical fallacy.
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05-05-2010 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
perhaps you should check FTP's policy towards cheating. they feel they are not obligated if you are cheated.
Why don't you link me to it.


As far as I know both Poker Stars and Full Tilt will investigate if you report something ...... and also do some sort of screening throughout.
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05-05-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
so where is your evidence to prove there is not a bot infestation?
Do you have no English language comprehension whatsoever?

I've stated very clearly that I do not assert that there is not a bot infestation.

Merely that there is no evidence that one exists.
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05-05-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
haaa....reread the thread buddy, i infact stated it said russia by the name, doesnt mean they are russian. i would also know for a fact nobody in cleveland has an IQ above 69. the mistake by the lake.
I'd rather stab myself in the eye than reread that thread.

As for your assertion that nobody out of a population of approximately 1 million people has an IQ above 69.... well, nothing to comment on there. You're a child.

I guess that CPA exam must've been pretty easy considering I was able to pass it.
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