Looks like you have a SERIOUS reading comprehension problem.
Or, only see what you want to see, I think that would be more to the point given your views on online poker not being rigged.

i agree that it would look strange if i played 10 hands and that happened... but like i said i played ~2 million hands and never saw a hand similar to what you describe... and it would show up in a both a large study of hand histories and a smaller one as well... if what you are saying is true and it is happening at a large frequency then it will show up way more than its supposed to even in small databases which would be proof of rigging

Read from here onwards: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=32705

why havnt u made this list yet http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ounts-1041814/ & why this post now?

Have you noticed how few of the people on the "rigged" side of the debate have any record of their hands or ability to analyse them? Don't you think that is interesting?

Have you still got the paper? (just in case you are too close to the truth and you are assassinated by the sites you will leave a record)

Why can't you ask the site for a full record of your hands?



I dont know why I am asking because I know the answers. blah blah blah just for my own analysis blah blah blah do your own study blah blah blah my account with the site is closed blah blah blah I don't have pokertracker blah blah blah it isn't really evidence I trust my instincts blah blah blah I need to pretend I am a better player than I am by making excuses for my inability to win online whilst beating the bad players at my local casino blah blah blah.

If you and your group of friends all think it is rigged then you should get together and destroy these evil corporations.

I re-quoted the paragraph which contradicts what you said and it is you who only saw what you wanted to see but it is yet another example of 'tards (and you in particular) completely ignoring the facts.

I was mentioned in the original post by Alex and he later edited out my name.

It's the way a number of us feel, however not everyone - some genuinely do not feel it is rigged. Then there are those who are not who they appear to be. Don't forget, if they are shills, there will be no convincing them, because it is their job to represent the sites. It's how normal poker players' posts appear to the silent majority that they are concerned about.

I don't get angry or upset because, well, first of all it isn't costing me any money. It's a free discussion. I'm happy to join the discusion occasionally but am well aware of the reputation this site has, so it's unlikely someone isn't going to insult or flame me somewhere along the line. It would be almost insulting if they didn't. There is virtually nothing hanging on the discussion one way or another. For the sites and shills yes there is, but not for us. It doesn't really benefit us one way or another, which way the argument goes.

I know someone who played mostly cash online. He hated it because he considered it rigged, but the money he could make each month, although a relatively small amount, was meaningful to him, and meant he could buy his kids some extra treats, and put some extra cash in his pocket. So he felt he had to continue to play, but got very angry all the time. He only started at Pokerstars with $20 I loaned him, soon paid me back, and built it all up from there, so I know it's possible. Thankfully I don't have to play online. I feel sorry for those who are either addicted, or feel they have to play because of the money.

Actually people have commented, about 2 years ago I was typing in the chat preflop “an A is going to hit the flop boys” this dude had QQ when I typed in “A in flop” an A hit the flop, after he lost he typed “you are spoiling my game if you continue to do that I will report you to the site”
That is why I type D or L no one knows what I am doing.
I can do something that is contrary to the laws of physics predict the doom seat and the outcome of hands way beyond that of what is excepted buy the laws of random.
And you are worried about [86c]
You realise if you were in China you post would be rejected and you wouldn’t get payed 50c as an opinion former. But Poker Stars have very low standards good news for you comrade

Of course if you can observe it with just your eyes and your brains it can be analysed in a database of your HHs. How could it not? And lots of people have many many hands collected, and easily collect more. Tobacco is a completely different case: you're linking one activity with another. Here, the HHs are the whole story: whether you are observing them or analysing them in a database.

You and your feelings! Just try to think rationally. Forget about labels like shill and riggie: the arguments speak for themselves. The riggies have been absymal at responding to the "shills" in any kind of well thought out way. They spend all their timing thinking about motives and very little about what basic stat knowledge they need to begin thinking about this problem.

that is pretty crazy sir... you correctly predicted something that happens about 25% of the time... unbelievable!!!11!

why havent you used that knowledge of doom seats and the way hands play out to your advantage to make millions of dollars?

Somebody suggested a few posts back that it sure would be nice to get a new set of shills. That would be so nice! The mass amount of shilltards in here right now CONSISTENTLY use the same stale arguements over and over again. HH's histories prove its not manipulated, etc. Absolutely worthless and annoying B.S.

And yes Dlogic, i wasnt supposed to be posting anymore, but like WIKI who has his site promoting job to do and cant stay away, I have to make my comments whenever I read such nonsense from you shills trying to sway peoples good judgement.

You know what also bugs me? They keep on arguing that 2 + 2 = 4! Over and over again! Like a broken record! Don't they realise that repeating it like that means they must be mistaken!

(why am I feeding the troll?)

ok... lets assume that i agree with your argument that you cant prove its rigged by looking at large samples of hand histories... can you at least provide some hand histories that show the setup hands you are speaking of? (ak vs 55 on aak losing etc etc)

Player that held the chip lead in the Main event for a while turning down 50k in online poker money cause he thinks its rigged.

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/videos/video.asp?vid=356

You sound like an opinion forming comrade I hope you get payed more than your Chines comrades lousy 50c a post.
Predicting the future need less attends not more
I picked this group as the doom seat
I played 380 hands
There should have been 8.75 starting pockets [AA KK QQ JJ 1010]
How did the pocket AA perform unfortunately zero pocket AA
KK same crap different pockets [this is normal for doom seat] zero KK
2 pocket QQ. first QQ I go all in fold table. 2 QQ ran into AA and 1010+10 this is the doom seat at its beast.
JJ no JJ what about 1010 same result no 1010 either.
I should get 8.75 big pockets and only get 2 and one of them gats smashed and I picked this to happen, buy typing D for dead.
I am a poker prophet.

This hand was set up for me to loose and I predicted it buy typing D for dead it not only lost it was smashed.
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PokerStars Game #60929098449: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2011/04/16 20:24:46 ET
Table 'Meyer IX' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: oldgrumpy48 ($0.86 in chips)
Seat 3: Ryusui ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Shrudinger ($0.97 in chips)
Seat 5: w2tamm ($6.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Jesur CR ($1 in chips)
Seat 7: P0WER1985 ($0.15 in chips)
Seat 8: Joelin27 ($1.87 in chips)
Seat 9: xinxanxon ($2.89 in chips)
w2tamm: posts small blind $0.01
Jesur CR: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to oldgrumpy48 [Qd Qc]
P0WER1985: folds
oldgrumpy48 said, "D"
Joelin27: folds
xinxanxon: raises $0.04 to $0.06
oldgrumpy48: calls $0.06
Joelin27 leaves the table
Ryusui: folds
Shrudinger: calls $0.06
w2tamm: raises $5.99 to $6.05 and is all-in
Jesur CR: folds
xinxanxon: folds
oldgrumpy48: folds
Shrudinger: calls $0.91 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($5.08) returned to w2tamm
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s 4d]
*** TURN *** [8s 2s 4d] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [8s 2s 4d Td] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
w2tamm: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces)
Shrudinger: shows [Ts Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
Shrudinger collected $1.98 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.08 | Rake $0.10
Board [8s 2s 4d Td 5d]
Seat 1: oldgrumpy48 folded before Flop
Seat 3: Ryusui folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Shrudinger (button) showed [Ts Th] and won ($1.98) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: w2tamm (small blind) showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: Jesur CR (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: P0WER1985 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Joelin27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: xinxanxon folded before Flop.

This is classic, oldgrumpy48 said, "D"
And they say the sites cant rig the games! Old grump face can do it just by saying "D"
Stick that in your shilltard pipe and smoke it............. WooooT WoooooooT

What a shock! Completely ignored by the shills, dreamers, promoters and employees. Probably because the guy has integrity which that group doesnt even know the definition.

This particular hand happened at a site called Pokertime years ago. Cant remember what network it was associated with. This kind of thing happens consistently to ANYONE with profit at a certain point, in order to get them to rebuy, and pass the old money to new money. Its just the way the software is rigged. You might increase your profit temporarily, but in the long run, it will be taken away, no matter how good you are.

We are talking about a hand that was set up and I predicted it so.
QQ is 220 to 1 to be dealt on a 10 handed table for there to be AA is 24 to I chance I would have to sit at a table for 5280 hands for that to happen to calculate in any third pocket just happened to be 1010 is about 5 to 1 now I would have to sit for 26400 hands. For that 1010 to hit a set is 5 to 1 =132000 hands I would have to play 60 hands an hour 24 hours a day 91 week almost 2 years for a smiler bad beat. And you call it a 25% bad beat.
Poker Stars do not pay this comrade for his opinion forming post. It’s a crap post not even worth 50c.

i watched the video but it didnt say anything about him believing the sites were rigged ... not to mention i dont understand how this is proof that online poker is rigged???

so when do i hit the point where it starts happening to me since i have a lot of profit and a lot of hands? i have never busto'd my account or had to rebuy or even been close to it (not counting the time someone sent me my initial $30 7 years ago that i was playing with unitl black friday)... you would think that it would be pretty hard for them to take away all my money considering most of it is cashed out and i follow good bank roll management... but i guess i should trust you since you seem to have a much better idea of this stuff than i do... how many more hands do you estimate it will take playing low limit MTTs, 50nl, and 100nl before they recoup all the money ive made and cashed out over the past 7 years?

well now you are either just leveling or have a really really poor understanding of statistics and odds (and i said you predicting an ace on the flop when someone has QQ in that one hand happens 25% of the time... not QQ vs AA vs TT with a T on the board)