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05-04-2010 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
yes the trolling experience is strong with many of you
Try posting something other than bad-beat stories and riggedspiracies... Pretty sure you won't get trolled then

Juk
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05-04-2010 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
Try posting something other than bad-beat stories and riggedspiracies... Pretty sure you won't get trolled then

Juk
well it was a serious thread that just got ran over by trolls...are sarcasm. i guess nobody should ever question anything? damn those guys that cracked that UB scandal!
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05-04-2010 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
well it was a serious thread that just got ran over by trolls...are sarcasm. i guess nobody should ever question anything? damn those guys that cracked that UB scandal!
They used actual evidence.

Juk
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05-04-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
They used actual evidence.

Juk
but it did not start off with questions in this very forum? PS i never did infact state i thought anything was rigged, i asked a few questions and got steam rolled by trolls, dont you guys attempt to even slow down this trolling?
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05-04-2010 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
but it did not start off with questions in this very forum? PS i never did infact state i thought anything was rigged, i was a few questions and got steam rolled by trolls, dont you guys attempt to even slow down this trolling?
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
They used actual evidence consisting of more than 6 samples.
fmp.

Juk
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05-04-2010 , 02:53 PM
Well I wouldn't name it trolling. What I meant with experience is about this:

1. there aren't any poker bots rigging the RNG or being able to predict cards to come.

2. it isn't even possible to predict cards because the deck is shuffling until one makes a decision. No one would ever know when you act and therefore what card(s) would come up, even if he knew your pockets.

3. guys who came up with legit allegations on 2+2 (almost) always are very experienced and frequent players and back up their points with stats/HHs/observative results/whatever. You have nothing but 6 times lost AA in 25 hours of playing ?? tables.

4. you haven't even proved your samplesize. Instead you linked a proved rigtard vid ITT and stated to believe the author.

5. in result you just make it hard to keep the thread on a serious level.

6. /thread.
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05-04-2010 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Baobhan-Sith
Well I wouldn't name it trolling. What I meant with experience is about this:

1. there aren't any poker bots rigging the RNG or being able to predict cards to come.

2. it isn't even possible to predict cards because the deck is shuffling until one makes a decision. No one would ever know when you act and therefore what card(s) would come up, even if he knew your pockets.

3. guys who came up with legit allegations on 2+2 (almost) always are very experienced and frequent players and back up their points with stats/HHs/observative results/whatever. You have nothing but 6 times lost AA in 25 hours of playing ?? tables.

4. you haven't even proved your samplesize. Instead you linked a proved rigtard vid ITT and stated to believe the author.

5. in result you just make it hard to keep the thread on a serious level.

6. /thread.
lolkwut? rig what vid? what are you talking about im trying to be serious please dont use nerd speak. its not just about losing with aces 6x in a row, btw i have never heard of such a thing. i have been noticing this for quite sometime, i found that video while googling about russian players on ftp because it was curious, the vid imo is more of a joke altho very serious how he did manage to lose while way ahead each and everytime. thats poker. or atleast internet poker i guess,. but mod go ahead and close this thread im done with it. i cannot believe a select few with nothing better to do then just troll over and over again on a thread they have no real stake in. btw i have seen 2 bad beats live that can compare to what i see online daily, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efs5I...1&feature=fvwp and the other one at the wsop royal flush over quad aces. now the link i posted was just a donkey chasing a dead draw and getting lucky on a monster draw, just a donkey not knowing when hes beat and i realize alot of lower stake players are probably like this online. but still i ponder.

Last edited by magicrun; 05-04-2010 at 03:03 PM.
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05-04-2010 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
lolkwut? rig what vid? what are you talking about im trying to be serious please dont use nerd speak.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rigtard
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Originally Posted by jukofyork

Rigtard

A person who tries to convince others that online poker is rigged without providing any evidence.
If you rigtards keep coming up with the same rubbish and offering no credible evidence then of course you are going to get mocked.

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mod go ahead and close this thread im done with it.
+1
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05-04-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
lol i love all the jackass responses to a legit question,.
ummm... no.

anyone with an IQ over 2 can understand why an aggressive fish will win more then a passive fish. think for a few seconds before you make a ridiculously stupid post
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05-04-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
i cannot believe a select few with nothing better to do then just troll over and over again on a thread they have no real stake in.
As online poker players, we all have a stake... Allowing completely unfounded conspiracy theories to go unchecked is bad for us all.

If you want to put forward a claim and have people listen to what you are saying, then it's important that you put forward some credible evidence... This is what the people who uncovered the UB scandal did and why people listened to what they had to say, but somehow this is something most conspiracy theorists don't (or can't) understand.

Juk
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05-04-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
As online poker players, we all have a stake... Allowing completely unfounded conspiracy theories to go unchecked is bad for us all.

If you want to put forward a claim and have people listen to what you are saying, then it's important that you put forward some credible evidence... This is what the people who uncovered the UB scandal did and why people listened to what they had to say, but somehow this is something most conspiracy theorists don't (or can't) understand.

Juk
good post, if i remember correctly ub did nothing to help out, why would they, saying a few people are robbing you all is bad for biz, can you ever request such data for evidence on FTP? do they even give hand request? do they have a policy saying they are not responsible for cheating that takes place?
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05-04-2010 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
haha they must have just called the whole squad in here. as to futureinsights, i think he has the better future, as his name states. i mean we both joined feb 2010. nice post count there bud, i see how you got it. btw if i was a no lifer, like many here must be id check out all of your post/threads so i can see how you all run to topics like this to shoot them down
yeah, my 3.08 posts per day takes a ton of effort

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05-04-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
yeah, my 3.08 posts per day takes a ton of effort

and this is what you waste said 3.08 post a day on....so very sad. mod please close thread.
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05-04-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
lolkwut? rig what vid? what are you talking about im trying to be serious please dont use nerd speak. its not just about losing with aces 6x in a row, btw i have never heard of such a thing. i have been noticing this for quite sometime, i found that video while googling about russian players on ftp because it was curious, the vid imo is more of a joke altho very serious how he did manage to lose while way ahead each and everytime. thats poker. or atleast internet poker i guess,. but mod go ahead and close this thread im done with it. i cannot believe a select few with nothing better to do then just troll over and over again on a thread they have no real stake in. btw i have seen 2 bad beats live that can compare to what i see online daily, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efs5I...1&feature=fvwp and the other one at the wsop royal flush over quad aces. now the link i posted was just a donkey chasing a dead draw and getting lucky on a monster draw, just a donkey not knowing when hes beat and i realize alot of lower stake players are probably like this online. but still i ponder.
i play ~50 tourneys a day for the last 3 years now, i have had entire days where i lose every single time i have AA,KK,QQ i have had atleast 20 days like this in the past 3 years, straight lose 50 buyin straight without blinking.

if your crying about losing 6xs in a row with AA you dont play enough
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05-04-2010 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by coinflipper
i play ~50 tourneys a day for the last 3 years now, i have had entire days where i lose every single time i have AA,KK,QQ i have had atleast 20 days like this in the past 3 years, straight lose 50 buyin straight without blinking.

if your crying about losing 6xs in a row with AA you dont play enough
thanks for the useful input, guess i should just turn into a degenerate that cant seem to find his limit when hes losing with the best of it. would you like a phone number to talk to somebody?
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05-04-2010 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
thanks for the useful input, guess i should just turn into a degenerate that cant seem to find his limit when hes losing with the best of it. would you like a phone number to talk to somebody?
you allergic to money op? im not
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05-04-2010 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
and this is what you waste said 3.08 post a day on....so very sad. mod please close thread.
Yeah, I guess I should save my effort for creating threads of great import such as this one.
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05-04-2010 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
Yeah, I guess I should save my effort for creating threads of great import such as this one.
you are a quick learner i am now sure you are one of 3 people including me and the mod "because hes a mod and has power" that does not have autism in this thread. and no im not making fun of the handicapped. mod please close thread.
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05-04-2010 , 03:35 PM
OP you keep mentioning the UB scandal but it seems obvious that you are very unfamiliar with it. Want to see how the two differ?

your evidence...

"ive had pocket aces cracked 6x now in 25 hrs all by russians. they seem to be way to aggressive so 2 times i limped and the first time he shoved with king 5 off, flop came 3 diamonds, turn was ace of diamonds he had king of diamonds. i see them constantly shoving flops they miss with ace high and hitting an ace on the river. is it possible some of these players have found out how to manipulate the RNG?"

their evidence...



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No offense but your gut instincts and a player winning at ten standard deviations above the mean are not the same thing. We understand it sucks to get sucked out on repeatedly. But you have to keep in mind that it happens to us all over and over and over so you will excuse us if we flame the hell out of you for being a rigtard. have a nice day and gtfo
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05-04-2010 , 03:36 PM
No money in russia everyone is solid
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05-04-2010 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilkain
OP you keep mentioning the UB scandal but it seems obvious that you are very unfamiliar with it. Want to see how the two differ?

your evidence...

"ive had pocket aces cracked 6x now in 25 hrs all by russians. they seem to be way to aggressive so 2 times i limped and the first time he shoved with king 5 off, flop came 3 diamonds, turn was ace of diamonds he had king of diamonds. i see them constantly shoving flops they miss with ace high and hitting an ace on the river. is it possible some of these players have found out how to manipulate the RNG?"

their evidence...



Uploaded with ImageShack.us

No offense but your gut instincts and a player winning at ten standard deviations above the mean are not the same thing. We understand it sucks to get sucked out on repeatedly. But you have to keep in mind that it happens to us all over and over and over so you will excuse us if we flame the hell out of you for being a rigtard. have a nice day and gtfo
gtfo seriously. dont act like i have never seen that graph before, you are a very smart man. alittle late to the party bro.
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05-04-2010 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nizzwsop
No money in russia everyone is solid
thanks for a decent post, i havent seen to many as of yet, now my only problem with this is they arent playing solid, they are hitting crazy runner runners when i am a huge favorite.
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05-04-2010 , 03:52 PM
How can you be so sure their Russian? Now if Sarah Palin says she can see Russian poker players from her yard playing suited cards and getting lucky than I believe you
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05-04-2010 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyImUrNightmare!
lol NICE i believe it. im not even sure they are russia, just that thats why it says when you scroll over the icon
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