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05-05-2010 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05


people get tired of it
then how about you shills stop posting and let us idiot rigtards debate in peace.
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05-05-2010 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
people get tired of it ..... and here we are. Now there are very few people who are polite and even those few make posts from time to time that aren't polite.
True.

But, if anyone comes here and expresses their concerns in a thoughtful manner and debates cooperatively most of us will be as polite and helpful as we can.

Hidden in this train crash of a thread there are instances of people who've come and asked questions and have been talked through their concerns and gone away - one hopes - reassured.
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05-05-2010 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
Then how come the people regulating still allow PokerStar's to commit hundred or even thousands of United State's felonies per day. If they were regulating they should have something to say about that.
I'd argue that they commit no U.S. felonies (it is possible laws are being broken in like 13 states though) ..... the sites would also argue that they are not breaking any laws.


If you want to know what the regulators have to say you can ask them. The website of PokerStar's regulator is here:

http://www.gov.im/gambling/


Here is their e-mail address:

gaming@gov.im



Also there are many international issues at play here. For one any laws the United States has prohibiting internet gambling is very likely to be in violation of its treaties and is in violation of a WTO decree.
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05-05-2010 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
then how about you shills stop posting and let us idiot rigtards debate in peace.
this..also if online gaming wasent illegal in the US then whats up with this? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...380318C1CB4217
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05-05-2010 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
"then how about you shills stop posting and let us idiot rigtards debate in peace."

this..
How about all you rigtards get together and start a site of your own where you can post in peace and ban any 'shill' who showed its face.

Then this thread could be allowed quietly to die a peaceful death.
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05-05-2010 , 04:19 PM
the only reason this thread is the way it is is bc the shills come here and clutter it up every time a rigtard makes a legit case. You think we dont know how you operate?
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05-05-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
so either way its still a rip off, also thats my fault i was talking about a small time B&M casino about an hour from where i live.
Of course slot machines are a ripoff. You didn't think the casino was there to give away money did you? The casino has the edge in every game they offer. So if you're looking at it that way every game is a ripoff. But if you look at it as paying for entertainment with variable results as to the payment maybe it is not a ripoff. But of course the casino has an edge.


NOTE:

Blackjack can be beat if the deck penetration is good enough and you are good enough at counting and you know basic strategy. People can make a profit at poker because they don't play against the casino. They play against other people and can have enough of an advantage (depending on their skill level and their opponents' skill levels) to beat the rake that eh house takes out of each pot.
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05-05-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
I think people generally started out polite, pointing out statistical studies and regulatory bodies and asking for statistical evidence of supposedly observed anamolies and offering to do analysis on behalf of people if they would deliver their hand histories. Also explaining why certain rigging methods that people think are common are actually against the sites' best interests.

But after a while of basically nobody doing any statistical analysis or posting any proof ..... and instead just constantly posting that they think the sites are rigged cause they eyeballed it and often just stating bold faced lies like the sites aren't regulated or asserting that any regulation that isn't U.S. regulation is worthless ...... and more posts about how bad beats happen to often but I have no statistics .....blah blah blah blah


people get tired of it ..... and here we are. Now there are very few people who are polite and even those few make posts from time to time that aren't polite.
I honestly understand lego, and actually i completely concur, it's just the calling people ****** thing, I don't know,just such an ugly word. the thing that continues to baffle me, is why so many of you, who obviously have real lives, continue to let the more obvious riggomaniacs get to you,wouldn't silence work more effectively? although, that would deprive people like me of their lurking entertainment. anyway, I did say I wouldn't post on this thread again,but I wanted to reply to you,as you are another,like arouet,fuego,spade and obviously many others who deal very patiently with these people, and deserve some kind of accolade. anyway take care, hope to see you around on another thread down the line
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05-05-2010 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
How about all you rigtards get together and start a site of your own where you can post in peace and ban any 'shill' who showed its face.

Then this thread could be allowed quietly to die a peaceful death.
please do not quote me, you could leave anytime nobody here wants or needs YOUR post, but this is what you get PAID to do so have at it.
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05-05-2010 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
No, its straight illegal to fund an online gaming acct. no matter what method you use.
How about a link to something to support that assertion?

Otherwise it looks as if you are vocally emitting from your fundamental orifice.
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05-05-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
i said many pages back of talk about FTP having fulltime employees with unbeatable hands. they could easily make way more this way then they could on rake. not saying its true. i would also like to state i will no longer be replying to wiki's comments, and i would wish others to do the same. that way it will keep it easier to keep this thread on topic without the constant trolling he brings us.
If you have evidence of this then post it. If you have no evidence of it then so what? PSEG could be charging me more money than I actually owe for the electricity I actually use. I could come up with a million could be statements about companies ripping us off and you never think twice about those companies.
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05-05-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
this..also if online gaming wasent illegal in the US then whats up with this? http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...380318C1CB4217
oops
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05-05-2010 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
please do not quote me
Oops!

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you could leave anytime nobody here wants or needs YOUR post, but this is what you get PAID to do so have at it.
Evidence?
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05-05-2010 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
Oops!



Evidence?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...380318C1CB4217 answer the question..
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05-05-2010 , 04:25 PM
the bottom line is everyone already knows that online poker is not legit. Whether it be the RNG, house players, bots, RNG manipulation, mass data mining/MAing everyone knows that something is wrong.

WHY DO YOU THINK NO ONE PLAYS ONLINE ANY MORE?????????????????

Why do you think that 90% of the people you talk to, think online poker is rigged?

I just want a fair game, that;s all Ive ever wanted.
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05-05-2010 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
oops
You are confused.

It is illegal in the US for financial institutions to participate in the funding of gambling.

That is not the same thing as gambling being illegal (despite the linked article erroneously sating that it had been banned).
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05-05-2010 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
It is a felony in the US to fund an online gaming account
Please post the relevant statute(s) because I disagree and would like to see what law you are deriving this from.

I'll submit that it may be illegal to fund sports betting accounts due to the wire act.

Please post the relevant statutes showing it to be illegal to fund a poker account.


Also clarify who you are talking about. Are you claiming it is illegal for the player, for banks, or for the sites? If you meant the sites I think you may be using the wrong terminology since I wouldn't expect what they do to fit under "funding an account".
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05-05-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
the bottom line is everyone already knows that online poker is not legit. Whether it be the RNG, house players, bots, RNG manipulation, mass data mining/MAing everyone knows that something is wrong.

WHY DO YOU THINK NO ONE PLAYS ONLINE ANY MORE?????????????????

Why do you think that 90% of the people you talk to, think online poker is rigged?

I just want a fair game, that;s all Ive ever wanted.
+1
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05-05-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun

You are confused.

It is illegal in the US for financial institutions to participate in the funding of gambling.

That is not the same thing as gambling being illegal (despite the linked article erroneously sating that it had been banned).
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05-05-2010 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
Please post the relevant statute(s) because I disagree and would like to see what law you are deriving this from.

I'll submit that it may be illegal to fund sports betting accounts due to the wire act.

Please post the relevant statutes showing it to be illegal to fund a poker account.


Also clarify who you are talking about. Are you claiming it is illegal for the player, for banks, or for the sites? If you meant the sites I think you may be using the wrong terminology since I wouldn't expect what they do to fit under "funding an account".
its very obvious he is saying its ILLEGAL for anyone on US soil to be gambling over the internet, yes i know....so harrrd to fanthom but it is infact US law.
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05-05-2010 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
You are confused.

It is illegal in the US for financial institutions to participate in the funding of gambling.

That is not the same thing as gambling being illegal (despite the linked article erroneously sating that it had been banned).
the NYpost has alot more credibility then you will ever.
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05-05-2010 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
the bottom line is everyone already knows that online poker is not legit. Whether it be the RNG, house players, bots, RNG manipulation, mass data mining/MAing everyone knows that something is wrong.
AMEC0404 -> English dictionary

everyone -> a few rigtards.


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WHY DO YOU THINK NO ONE PLAYS ONLINE ANY MORE?????????????????
AMEC0404 -> English dictionary

no one -> a lot of people.

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Why do you think that 90% of the people you talk to, think online poker is rigged?
AMEC0404 -> English dictionary

90% -> 0.0013%.
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05-05-2010 , 04:30 PM
I heard some things from a very reliable source that a big problem going on now is MAers timing up the late registration in order to sit two accounts at the same table n a sattelite tournament.

This source told me that he knows that people have figured out that if you late-register for a satty at the exact same time that someone busts, you take over that seat in the tourny. So what these MAers are doing is registering one acct... taking the seat, and when the first person busts, they register the second account at the same time as the first person busting. Star's/FTP's software will automatically sit the late-registering player in the seat of the player who just busted. That gives the person two accts at the same table, and makes satties almost impossible to lose.
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05-05-2010 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by magicrun
the NYpost has alot more credibility then you will ever.
That may well be the case but, in this instance, part of what it stated was plain wrong.
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05-05-2010 , 04:30 PM
Oh look, AMEC is back doing what he has always done best. Stating fiction as fact.

He must've learned from this guy:



http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
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