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Originally Posted by lolapoker
A.) I think its comical how the Regs on this board dismiss the AP/UB scandal as isolated, and that it really does not matter because of their low playerbases.
Too much to risk. - DISPROVED.
B.) Impossible to manipulate the shuffle or have users who have access to hole cards. - DISPROVED
They were never shown to manipulate the shuffle, nor has any site ever. That's pretty much the accepted definition of rigging.
There are cheaters on every poker site, they just don't usually have access to hole cards. And sites catch and ban some cheaters regularly. There are also still cheaters who have access to some players' hole cards (but not everyone's) because they create virus/trojan software that people download unknowingly, and it transmits your screen to them and tells them when you are playing. That has nothing to do with any poker site, it's just cheaters and gullible computer users. Compromised computers are involved in all sorts of crime, from credit card number theft to full identify theft, to password stealing, etc. As an aside, I have some business knowledge of preventing that type of crime, and you can currently go to certain web sites and buy millions of valid credit card numbers for pennies each, that were stolen by software that people downloaded to their computers. There are currently bot-nets multi-million-users in size.
The security hole at UB that allowed the cheaters to see everyone's hole cards did not give them knowledge of the cards yet to come, and it didn't manipulate the deal. It was cheating, plain and simple, and UB/AB should have suffered more than they did. But it was not a systemic plan for the company to profit off it's customers, it was cheaters making money for themselves. And they played at stakes you will probably never play, so it didn't affect most players (other than the principle and integrity of the site, and I'd never play there).
Last edited by spadebidder; 05-30-2009 at 10:48 PM.