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Old 05-30-2009, 10:56 PM   #4026
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They were never shown to manipulate the shuffle, nor has any site ever. That's pretty much the accepted definition of rigging.

There are cheaters on every poker site, they just don't usually have access to hole cards. And sites catch and ban some cheaters regularly. There are also still cheaters who have access to some players' hole cards (but not everyone's) because they create virus/trojan software that people download unknowingly, and it transmits your screen to them and tells them when you are playing. That has nothing to do with any poker site, it's just cheaters and gullible computer users. Compromised computers are involved in all sorts of crime, from credit card number theft to full identify theft, to password stealing, etc. As an aside, I have some business knowledge of preventing that type of crime, and you can currently go to certain web sites and buy millions of valid credit card numbers for pennies each, that were stolen by software that people downloaded to their computers. There are currently bot-nets multi-million-users in size.

The security hole at UB that allowed the cheaters to see everyone's hole cards did not give them knowledge of the cards yet to come, and it didn't manipulate the deal. It was cheating, plain and simple, and UB/AB should have suffered more than they did. But it was not a systemic plan for the company to profit off it's customers, it was cheaters making money for themselves. And they played at stakes you will probably never play, so it didn't affect most players (other than the principle and integrity of the site, and I'd never play there).
First of all stop spreading bs. The ring leader and profiteer of the ap scandal was a founder. Second of all the only reason the scam was uncovered was because of the high limits involved. Lower level stakes generally get less scrutany. Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:11 PM   #4027
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First of all stop spreading bs. The ring leader and profiteer of the ap scandal was a founder. Second of all the only reason the scam was uncovered was because of the high limits involved. Lower level stakes generally get less scrutany. Thanks for proving my point.
A short message but let's see how it fares..

Commandment 1: Thy shall ask others to prove it false

Not a lot of direct following of this commandment as there was no "maybe this could happen, prove it wrong approach"


Commandment 2: Thy shall state an opinion and declare it a fact

"Thanks for proving my point" is always a good indication that this commandment was duly followed.


Commandment 3: Thy shall hurl personal attacks

Overall tone and "stop spreading BS" are close enough.


Commandment 4: Thy shall assume

Assuming certain games get more or less "scrutany." Likely the mid stakes, with a ton more players using database programs, gets a lot more "scrutany."


Commandment 5: Thy hath no time to test thy theories

Goes without saying, but we will just give half credit here.


3.5 out of 5, not too bad for such a short post.


Thy are a true follower of riggedology.



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You should add one or two for the newest recruit. Thy shall not read the thread first. Thy shall equate player cheating with deal rigging. Thy shall make statements about the only scandal ever in online poker without knowing any of the facts.

Those three seem to come up over and over.
Commandments should stand the test of time. A lot of things are short term (Madov for instance) that will lose impact as a random unrelated shout out. Riggedologists will move onto the newer, sexier criminal to use for unrelated comparisons and what ifs.

UB/AP is often used incorrectly (since it was simple insider theft not software rigging), and there probably is a commandment in there somewhere based on misinterpreting information, but I will have to give it a bit more thought.

Riggedologist posts tend to help as they show the true nature of their beliefs, so no doubt the list will grow accordingly as we seem to have a nice fresh batch who are eager to be heard.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:20 AM   #4028
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Just now some tool from live donkament said that online poker is rigged. He said that if you go all in first hand you will win 90% of the time....
I am still wondering why would he play at free pub tourney if he knows that 90% of the time he shoves online he will win. Missing out on alot of money...
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:13 AM   #4029
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Just now some tool from live donkament said that online poker is rigged. He said that if you go all in first hand you will win 90% of the time....
I am still wondering why would he play at free pub tourney if he knows that 90% of the time he shoves online he will win. Missing out on alot of money...
You probably will win 90+% of the time. The other 10% is mostly when you get called.
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Old 05-31-2009, 01:44 AM   #4030
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Rigged is the correct answer here guys.
It should be pretty obvious by now.
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Old 05-31-2009, 02:44 AM   #4031
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First of all stop spreading bs. The ring leader and profiteer of the ap scandal was a founder. Second of all the only reason the scam was uncovered was because of the high limits involved. Lower level stakes generally get less scrutany. Thanks for proving my point.
Wrong. The player was winning at a rate that was nearly impossible given his playing style. He was playing on the order of 90+% of the pots and winning at a rate of almost 500BB/100.
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Old 05-31-2009, 03:46 AM   #4032
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Wrong. The player was winning at a rate that was nearly impossible given his playing style. He was playing on the order of 90+% of the pots and winning at a rate of almost 500BB/100.
Can you not read?

The point I was making, was that there would have been ZERO scrutany of this player if not for the high limits he was playing.
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Old 05-31-2009, 04:43 AM   #4033
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Morning everybody.

Good to see that the thread is still ticking over nicely.

Have a nice day and keep those rigtard theories coming in.
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Old 05-31-2009, 05:12 AM   #4034
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Can you not read?

The point I was making, was that there would have been ZERO scrutany of this player if not for the high limits he was playing.
scrutiny

Sheesh you'd think you'd pick up on it after somebody quoted your spelling in a previous post. At least try to come off intelligent when being a rigtard.
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Old 05-31-2009, 05:37 AM   #4035
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scrutiny

Sheesh you'd think you'd pick up on it after somebody quoted your spelling in a previous post. At least try to come off intelligent when being a rigtard.

Sorry I did not know this was a spelling bee. Shooting blanks I see.

How about a 10k bet that information leaks about Pokerstars in the next 12 months that puts them in a MUCH worse light then Absolute Poker?

I have the escrow ready are you game, Mr. Confident?
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Old 05-31-2009, 05:47 AM   #4036
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A spelling bee no. But your level of intelligence is showing. Also challenging random people to $10k bets on the potential future outcome of conspiracy theories is pretty hilarious. Yeah I just have $10k lying around.

Why not just do the hu4rollz thing? Oops that wouldn't work, since the games are rigged.
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Old 05-31-2009, 06:03 AM   #4037
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Sorry I did not know this was a spelling bee. Shooting blanks I see.

How about a 10k bet that information leaks about Pokerstars in the next 12 months that puts them in a MUCH worse light then Absolute Poker?

I have the escrow ready are you game, Mr. Confident?
Did you read the rest of this thread and see how these kind of propositions have fared before? Nobody is going to make a bet with some random rigtard scammer with no money (I don't have any proof thats what you are but what does that matter eh?).

As nobody will be accepting your bet because you are a rigtard scammer with no money perhaps you would like to tell us a bit more about your faith in a Pokerstars scandal surfacing? Proof? Sources? Specifics of scam? Or are you planning on betting more money than you have without any of this information because you have no intention of paying up.

Stop waving your virtual penis about, nobody is impressed.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:25 AM   #4038
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Sorry I did not know this was a spelling bee. Shooting blanks I see.

How about a 10k bet that information leaks about Pokerstars in the next 12 months that puts them in a MUCH worse light then Absolute Poker?

I have the escrow ready are you game, Mr. Confident?
There is a guy who similarly wants to bet $20k on stuff. That is when he is not crushing the 1/2 cent tables. Maybe seek him out for some action.

Also, we are celebrating the 5th year anniversary of the first people who have said "wait and see in the next 12 months what will happen with Stars"

So far all we do is add a year to the wait every year...


However, I will be happy to bet a grand once you specify what exactly will happen. Your conditions as is are too vague and can be applied to anything that happens, even if they have a great year (ie: they are evil mogul tycoon fatcats crushing the competition).

Also, your screen name to start at least would be needed. That way we can see if you are a big shooter among the 5 figure escrow ego betters. Don't worry, 2/4 cent would qualify in that category.

All the best.
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Old 05-31-2009, 07:33 AM   #4039
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A short message but let's see how it fares..

Commandment 1: Thy shall ask others to prove it false

Commandment 2: Thy shall state an opinion and declare it a fact

Commandment 3: Thy shall hurl personal attacks

Commandment 4: Thy shall assume

Commandment 5: Thy hath no time to test thy theories

Thy are a true follower of riggedology.
Okay, no more Early English usage, please, unless you know what you're doing. The word you're looking for is "thou." "Thy" grates on the ears.

That is all.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:26 AM   #4040
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Okay, no more Early English usage, please, unless you know what you're doing. The word you're looking for is "thou." "Thy" grates on the ears.

That is all.
These are commandments about riggedology. Thy should know that grating on the nerves is par for the course for that faith

I was wondering who would notice that, took a lot longer then I expected (though I knew the correction would eventually come from a non-believer).

I shall change them accordingly now that it was noticed, changing thy shall to thou shalt.

All thy best.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:46 AM   #4041
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(though I knew the correction would eventually come from a non-believer).
Your broken psyche and personality disallows to show first time some character in this thread and just admit that you made a mistake. This attitude is compatible with your personal rants, hysterical and paranoid crying in this thread.

I told you son, find a psychologist, it is not too late.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:03 AM   #4042
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Your broken psyche and personality disallows to show first time some character in this thread and just admit that you made a mistake. This attitude is compatible with your personal rants, hysterical and paranoid crying in this thread.

I told you son, find a psychologist, it is not too late.
Woo, fancy writing syndrome while strictly following commandment 3.

Well done!


And indeed if one looks over both our posting histories, it is evident that one of us is indeed deeply paranoid. Hint, it is probably the guy who says paranoid stuff like


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I am just a pissed off Software/IT personnel that happened to be understand the importance of software security/integrity and can't handle my emotion when experiencing a software based fraud that can go on for years without any consequences.

I was accurate about the lesser known family when I detailed their route and history (at IBM) and their links to certain investor groups.

and my favorite:

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It must be semi-serious as it is tragicomic that we suckers keep putting the money in the Israeli-Russian mafia pocket.

The next time you google how to write a comeback, feel free to also google the term paranoid to see what are indications of that frame of mind.

That is if the Israel/Russia mob does not get you first...

or the Lizard people.


All thy best.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:27 AM   #4043
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Woo, fancy writing syndrome while strictly following commandment 3.
You are a truly sad representative of the site defender crusaders. It seems others at least have a life outside from this forum. You sit here and wait 24/7 for someone talking to you and then you can rant back.

I am happy that at least you could talk to someone :-)))
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:44 AM   #4044
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Someone was asking earlier why we don’t do some researches. Well, the defender crusaders who blindly try to protect the criminals at PS and FT should know that the research has been done a long time ago and here are the facts

Fact #1: PokerStars IT infrastructure is not under the control of any licensing authorities. PS has moved their primary IT infrastructure to the UK and their business continuity data centres are in the UK, Caribbean and US, completely uncontrolled by the authorities, and the regulation driven policies are not enforced relation to the system. This fact establishes a major breach of rules and regulations and implies that PS operation is a multibillion dollar fraud. PS claims that their IT operation is in full compliance with the regulation. This cannot be further from the truth, it is simply a lie in order to mislead the IT unaware public and trying to cloud a picture of a well controlled and authority regulated operation.
The integrity of the system (that includes the state of verified, source control checked, signed software components) that is the most important factor in online gambling is not verified by the authorities and PS misleads the players, users and public by incorrectly claiming that their operation is under control of the authority.

Fact #2: PokerStars ISP is an industry outlaw company Rational Services Limited that is unprecedentedly in the industry is not member of any professional organizations. Rational Services Limited is not surprisingly the satellite company of PS. Using this satellite ISP company PS routes the data and traffic to locations and systems that is not controlled by authorities where most likely their unverified system deploys software bot accounts that steal from SNG and tournament pots. (Our research indicates that these locations are TX US, NY US, London UK, etc).

Fact #3: PS deploys software bots account that implements the simple concept of distributing winning hands to designated system driven bot accounts. With this simple software trick (that as we agreed above obviously not modifies large hand samples nor EV values) PS steal the money an estimated $250,000 day from the SNG and tournament pots.

It seems that UK ‘s law enforcement agencies are already aware of this scam and finally takes it seriously. Hopefully they will stop very soon this fraudulent operation.
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Old 05-31-2009, 10:53 AM   #4045
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That is if the Israel/Russia mob
The origin of the “less known family” that has established PS is not so important. There are millions of honest, hard working jewish, Israeli businesses and I can assure that they are ashamed by Madoff, Abramovich, Berzovsky or the PS caliber criminals.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:09 AM   #4046
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The origin of the “less known family” that has established PS is not so important. There are millions of honest, hard working jewish, Israeli businesses and I can assure that they are ashamed by Madoff, Abramovich, Berzovsky or the PS caliber criminals.
Honest hard working jews. LOL
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You are a truly sad representative of the site defender crusaders. It seems others at least have a life outside from this forum. You sit here and wait 24/7 for someone talking to you and then you can rant back.

I am happy that at least you could talk to someone :-)))
You got me. With 800 posts in 2 and a half years I average about 1 post a day. Good use of commandments 2, 3 and 4 all packed together nicely.

The behavior you describe does happen with some though, typically the obsessed, paranoid crowd. They tend to not only reply right away, but they reply multiple times right away, often in response to their own responses.

You know - like you just did.


But I am glad to see I am part of the mystical "site defender crusaders" in that creative imagination of yours

Again, may I suggest some reading


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoi.../wiki/Paranoia



By the way, the second within your sequence of 3 responses seems like a promising start for your manifesto (though I admit I did not actually read it). May I suggest a blog or a youtube video as an outlet.


As for your third response

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The origin of the “less known family” that has established PS is not so important. There are millions of honest, hard working jewish, Israeli businesses and I can assure that they are ashamed by Madoff, Abramovich, Berzovsky or the PS caliber criminals.
Cool. Now we have a longer list of the evil, sinister, black op like forces that are at work

Israeli/Russian mobsters

Site defender crusaders

Less known families


Maybe they all get together for a bar-b-q once a year.


Your mission in life awaits you, only you can uncover all of these hidden truths that are out there. Good luck with it!

All thy best.


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Honest hard working jews. LOL
Base level racism from the slow witted bad beat whiner.

Yeah, that's certainly a shocking revelation.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:19 AM   #4048
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You got me. With 800 posts in 2 and a half years I average about 1 post a day. Good use of commandments 2, 3 and 4 all packed together nicely.
You don't have to explain yourself how much did you write :-))) Feel free to post here 8, 800 o 8000 posts if it makes you happy.

PS:
Please keep short your saying and do not reply by writing long novels, I have no time to read it, in fact I don't read more than the begining lines from your long nonsense and you are just wasting your time.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:25 AM   #4049
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Please keep short your saying and do not reply by writing long novels, I have no time to read it, in fact I don't read more than the begining lines from your long nonsense and you are just wasting your time.
This encapsulates all the riggedology commandments perfectly, and even has the benefit of being a run on sentence as a bonus. I will keep this quote to aid future riggedologists who are still new to the craft.

Seriously - well done.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:43 PM   #4050
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I would love USA passed a law that the online room allowed i their territory has to be all based inside USA, from databases, servers....That would be good to see.
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