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Old 07-26-2008, 09:25 PM   #226
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It's only rigged for my customers. Don't miss your chance to jump on the gimmick bandwagon!

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That myspace page really is tempting me into going out and picking up some ice cream sammiches. Do you sell over the interwebz?
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:40 PM   #227
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xopaCQB4XM0 he will find out if the rng is random..hes a person that is taken seriously
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:42 PM   #228
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8Y0...eature=related
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:17 AM   #229
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

scorer you've posted that video in about 17 different threads now. Thanks for the random pointlessness of your posts. Order ice cream sandwiches or gtfo. No loitering.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:35 PM   #230
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http://lists.debian.org/debian-secur.../msg00152.html Thought this could never happen 2p2
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:41 PM   #231
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http://lists.debian.org/debian-secur.../msg00152.html Thought this could never happen 2p2
no one EVER said it couldn't happen. EVER.
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:08 AM   #232
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no one EVER said it couldn't happen. EVER.
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Old 07-29-2008, 11:12 AM   #233
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Anybody saw the tv show hidden palms?
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:52 PM   #234
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I feel it may be rigged to keep the rake going. I have seen endless hands where there is an all-in with the last of someone's money and they catch the 3 outer on the river...or the runner runner str8 or flush...much more than should statistically happen. At Prima tho I saw 4 different times within a single hour... AA vs KK vs QQ. what are the odds of that ****e? People try to say that a few more cents of rake doesnt benefit the site...are you serious? Add 3 extra cents of rake per hand and you are talking millions of dollars in a short period of time.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:18 PM   #235
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I feel it may be rigged to keep the rake going. I have seen endless hands where there is an all-in with the last of someone's money and they catch the 3 outer on the river...or the runner runner str8 or flush...much more than should statistically happen. At Prima tho I saw 4 different times within a single hour... AA vs KK vs QQ. what are the odds of that ****e? People try to say that a few more cents of rake doesnt benefit the site...are you serious? Add 3 extra cents of rake per hand and you are talking millions of dollars in a short period of time.
pfff, people get dumber everyday.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:37 PM   #236
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

Ive been on FTP 4 years and won every year. So the answer to your question is a flat NO.
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Old 08-01-2008, 03:19 AM   #237
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I feel it may be rigged to keep the rake going. I have seen endless hands where there is an all-in with the last of someone's money and they catch the 3 outer on the river...or the runner runner str8 or flush...much more than should statistically happen. At Prima tho I saw 4 different times within a single hour... AA vs KK vs QQ. what are the odds of that ****e? People try to say that a few more cents of rake doesnt benefit the site...are you serious? Add 3 extra cents of rake per hand and you are talking millions of dollars in a short period of time.
you didn't know
max rake is $3
so depend on what level you are playing.
at micro. more dumb play, that chase the impossible. thurs more suckout.
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Old 08-02-2008, 01:20 PM   #238
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rigged? maybe maybe not

but FTs RNG is anything but truly random. go play PLO on FT for an extended period, and then switch to pokerstars. one of these things is not like the other. i can't believe the pathetic sarcasm and jokes these threads get after the whole UB/AP thing.
What does truly random actually look like? Surely if FT is way off in some respect you have evidence of this, if so don't be shy about revealing it.

FWIW all the reputable online poker sites actually are rigged. They are totally and utterly rigged in favour of those who bother to learn about statistics, psychology and who work on their poker game and bankroll management instead of shifting the blame for their losses over to a 'faulty' RNG.
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:46 AM   #239
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Sup All-

I've never actually bothered to post on a forum before, but this full tilt thing's got me steaming. I've been playing nl200 ring games on the site about 3days (600 hands), and I've lost THREE straight preflop allins with a dominating pocketpair (aavs99, aavskk, kkvs88) On all three hands my opps hit a set on the flop. I'm not very odds saavy but shouldn't that happen about 00.12% of the time? I've played over 25000 hands on ipoker, and I've NEVER seen anything like this. Oh and I also just lost an allin house vs quads as well. I've seen WAY too many big hands in the early going, and I'm not surprised to see other players complainig. I don't know if the cards are rigged or engineered or what, but it seems like the bad play is getting protected so morons can last longer and generate more rake. Most of these guys do stack off eventually, and I'm still way up overall, but somethings off here, and I think I'll go find another place to play. Screw the bonus/rakeback, I only play legit games.
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:17 AM   #240
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I've been playing nl200 ring games on the site about 3days (600 hands), and I've lost THREE straight preflop allins with a dominating pocketpair
I don't want to say "lol" or anything, but you know that's borderline-hilarious, right?

Also, in a live game last night I called a BB raise from the SB w/87o. The flop came 7 high, I checked and the BB went all in (I totally had her covered.) She showed KK. I said, "That's OK, just put a 7 or an 8 out there."

Turn = 7

I'm glad I didn't get a fair game.
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:16 PM   #241
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

It is funny that we never see rigged posts for anything but holdem.

I'm waiting for someone to get something like (A2)34AA(A) in razz and come screaming in here about the rng...

I can imagine some really good omaha H/L beats...

Hero = As2s3cKc

Board= 4s 5s 6c 6s 6h

loses to 8888...

RIGGED!!!11!!!!

I demand equal time for non-HE rigged conspiracy theories!!!! Someone whining that he missed his last fifteen wrap straight draws in PLO, or maybe someone who had (Ah2h) 3h 4h 9c Tc (Jc) in Stud8...

A change of pace would be nice.
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:07 PM   #242
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

Rigged is not the right word, but in my experience the sites are built for action. You have adjust your game accordingly. I kept a notepad by my computer for two months and tried to track every race where a pocket pair is against overs. I only tracked when all the money went in before the flop and two over cards for sure had a statistical edge. I thought it would be about 65% - it turned out to be 57%.

I've adjusted my game, where I'm less likely to fold AK and less likely to shove with 88. I used to worry this would hurt my live game, but I don't hardly play live so who cares.

For the record - I also tracked how often I flopped a set - but that turned out to be true to the math.
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Old 08-05-2008, 06:26 AM   #243
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Rigged is not the right word, but in my experience the sites are built for action. You have adjust your game accordingly. I kept a notepad by my computer for two months and tried to track every race where a pocket pair is against overs. I only tracked when all the money went in before the flop and two over cards for sure had a statistical edge. I thought it would be about 65% - it turned out to be 57%.

I've adjusted my game, where I'm less likely to fold AK and less likely to shove with 88. I used to worry this would hurt my live game, but I don't hardly play live so who cares.

For the record - I also tracked how often I flopped a set - but that turned out to be true to the math.
There are better ways to track than notepad.
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:29 AM   #244
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I can imagine some really good omaha H/L beats...

Hero = As2s3cKc

Board= 4s 5s 6c 6s 6h

loses to 8888...

RIGGED!!!11!!!!
I almost threw up.

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Old 08-05-2008, 08:12 AM   #245
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

what a level fest this thread it, of course it's rogged
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:33 AM   #246
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Sorry to post for first time in this thread... Sorry for my english also.

Just one thing about APCW "audit".

25K hands are very insufficient to prove anything. You should be dealt AA and KK about 220 times in total for this amount of hands. They said that they count only hands when they are called by one only opponent. They don't say this number but it is very important. AA/KK is 70-90% favourite against random hand, but when you play AA/KK only, pushing it every time, you will be called rarely and if called it is very possible the caller to have AA/KK, smaller pp or swited connectors... everything else but not "pure random hand" which includes all trash hands also. So if they are called 150 times (very optimistic imo), about 50% win rate is very expected. Moreover that ~30% deviation is equal to a very poor amount of 40 hands.
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Old 08-05-2008, 09:40 AM   #247
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Rigged is not the right word, but in my experience the sites are built for action. You have adjust your game accordingly. I kept a notepad by my computer for two months and tried to track every race where a pocket pair is against overs. I only tracked when all the money went in before the flop and two over cards for sure had a statistical edge. I thought it would be about 65% - it turned out to be 57%.

I've adjusted my game, where I'm less likely to fold AK and less likely to shove with 88. I used to worry this would hurt my live game, but I don't hardly play live so who cares.

For the record - I also tracked how often I flopped a set - but that turned out to be true to the math.
That's nothing. I counted on my toes the amount of times I've had A23K w/ a suited ace and flopped the protected nut low draw and nut flush draw. I figured I was about 28.348% to scoop and at least 55.44% to at least split the pot.

Turns out over the fifty trials I scooped 34.342% and split 63.343% of the time, so now I... well... still try to pump multiway pots preflop and on the flop.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:14 AM   #248
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i really do think you hit a set more often on FTP than on other sites, thats why aces get cracked more often etc...

I dont have proof, but I have a feeling (after having played 9545635 hands on FTP, 3345346956 hands on PS, 349583968569 hands on other sites). Could be something wrong with the RNG.
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:52 AM   #249
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My sets get cracked so often on pokerstars that I generally will throw them away on the flop if there is a lot of action and many opponents.

That others fail to do this is a significant part of my edge.
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:14 PM   #250
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On all three hands my opps hit a set on the flop. I'm not very odds saavy but shouldn't that happen about 00.12% of the time?
It's actually closer to 1%, which basically means that everytime you get in that situation with a dominating pocket pair, there's a 1 in 100 shot that you are about to start a run of losing like that at least 3 times in a row.

In summation, if you play a lot of poker, you will see this many times over in your career.
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