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Old 12-31-2008, 01:54 PM   #326
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

You're doing it wrong, imo.
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Old 12-31-2008, 01:57 PM   #327
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Stage 2 (success)- ZOMG, I am so good and these guys I play against are so bad, I'm gonna be a pro and I'm gonna get a Porsche and I'm gonna make a gajillion dollars and I'm gonna....
This is so accurate to me it is laughable and kinda scary

OP-Hilarious.

"invested interests" I LOL'd
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:11 PM   #328
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Now I don't consider myself out of my depth at these low level stakes but why do I keep losing? There can only be one answer the site is rigged.

LOL

This happens so often I would say that whenever I have 2 pairs or three of a kind I will lose 60-70% of the time to someone chasing the flush or straight. So much to the 1 in 3 chance of hitting!!

WoW! I got an ideas! Wait until you have a 30% chance to hit your straight or flush.... THEN go ALL IN. I mean think about it. It's fool proof!

I have become a pyshic having the ability to read the river card with ease!!

Nice, start using this ability to your advantage instead of your opponents. Why go all in when you know he will hit his card on the river? Wait until you see your hand improving on the river before shoving your stack in the middle.



Lets face it if was not rigged all the donks would get stung a couple of times and never come back. But we all know they come back because they know damn well that chasing a straight or a flush is profitable not only because of the good chance of them hitting but because of the implied odds/profit.

Good Point again. Start being a flush chasing donk. Problem solved imo.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:15 PM   #329
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

OP think logically!

Where are the worst players going to be, you know the ones that chase inside straights, hit runner-runner, run down those flushes?

Could they possibly be playing micro?

When you have so many playing marginal hands, that will not fold, come he11 or high-water, is it not fairly certain that you are going to get sucked-out on rather frequently?
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:19 PM   #330
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

Maybe you tried playing your way... then read the books and it opened a door of thinking new to you. Thinking out of the box!

Your not used to looking at it that way and have to refine that vision. You lose with your 40/20 vision but soon you will have to learn or go broke.

Either that or aliens will be porting you up for that "special exam"!!!
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:27 PM   #331
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Move up to NL1000.
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Old 12-31-2008, 02:27 PM   #332
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P.s how does the site know whos a donk and who isn't?
There's a box you have to tick when you sign up.
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Old 12-31-2008, 03:08 PM   #333
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You are currently in Stage 3 of your interwebz poker development grasshopper.

Stage 1 (discovery)- They have poker on the internet? Cool! Let me try it.
Stage 2 (success)- ZOMG, I am so good and these guys I play against are so bad, I'm gonna be a pro and I'm gonna get a Porsche and I'm gonna make a gajillion dollars and I'm gonna...
Stage 3 (post-setback)- This crap be rigged, yo.
Stage 4 (variamemory)- You know, it does look like it will all even out eventually. I forget the times my QQ beats AA but remember the times it happens the other way. I remember when they suckout on me but don't even think about the other 19 times where my hand held because he didn't suckout on me and he just folded and I never saw his cards.
Stage 5 (restart)-If I take this seriously and actually learn the games and improve and grow in knowledge, I could possibly make some coin at this stuff.

That sounds just like me...LOL. So true...so true. Im still stuck on stage 3 though
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:35 PM   #334
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

I don't see the point why any site would be rigged, wot's to be gained from it?? They make a mint enough as it is. What I do think is in the software's attempt to randomise things, it can go on some pretty crazy swings, perhaps not mirroring live poker play. When I first joined aboslute I was on a serious hot streak simply couldn't lose. When I joined stars I got rivered every single time I got in in good and lost 50% of my starting bank, the software definitely picks on new deposits!!

I too am on PKR, mainly because I find it hilarious that u can emote some cracking things to one another. It is however FULL of donks!! So of course ur bad luck swings are going to be alot bigger as more players are playing bad hands, it stands to reason really.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:41 PM   #335
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Stage 2 (success)- ZOMG, I am so good and these guys I play against are so bad, I'm gonna be a pro and I'm gonna get a Porsche and I'm gonna make a gajillion dollars and I'm gonna...
Stage 3 (post-setback)- This crap be rigged, yo.
^ dat was way too funny
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:43 PM   #336
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When I joined stars I got rivered every single time I got in in good and lost 50% of my starting bank, the software definitely picks on new deposits!!
Sample size.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:51 PM   #337
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

That's right, after over 200 hours of playing micro limits I have absolutely no doubt that the cards are rigged for the crap players!

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LOL
Never got passed this. Dont really want to be the one to tell you buddy but 99% of the time everyone is crap in micro limit poker. That is why they play micro limit poker. Im sure however you are probably a class apart but punished for having such sexy skills.

When people ask if poker is ever going to "dry up", the opening poster here is the perfect example of why it never will...
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:56 PM   #338
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

very funny thread this one..

maybe we are a little quick to make fun of OP...

OP the reason no one took your post seriously (wit the exception of a few psychics out there) is because people new to poker often say/make very similar posts in two plus two.

basically i believe you are falsely under the assumption that you are a winning player online... (while you may have had some success playing when you were a toddler or what ever it is you said in your post.. online poker is a very different game and does not play the same way)

you should also keep in mind that the NLHE section in supersystem 2 is somewat out of date and playing in that style you will not make a lot of money in the micros.

now while you may feel you are running bad... trust me when I say this .. anyone of us that has played enough hands has gone through horrendous dwnswings.. its just a part of poker you have to learn to deal with.

i suggest you post some of your biggest loosing hands/ most tricky spots (not gross coolers ) here or in the appropriate forum and get advice ... i gurantee you will get a lot of answers you would not get from hellmuth or supersystem.



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Old 12-31-2008, 05:09 PM   #339
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Micro = multiway pot = which equals tons more outs against.

Be more aggressive, stop the donk-addiction to slowplay, juice the pot hard on scary flops and drive the peasants out of the hand. If there going to suck out make them pay and then suckout.

Also variance is a beech - if you dont like it design your game around low varience ie no all ins without the nuts. No big drives if not drawing to the nuts. Drop the treacherous little flush hands. 160 hours is about 20000 hands max. A two thousand hand stinker is not an uncommon occourance so if you copped two or three in 20,000 it would feel as if you cant win. Your probably tilting as well.

Anyhow you are undoubtedly a donk. If you were following doyal's advice he'd be driving over the top all in on draws and be the one coming home on the river.
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Old 12-31-2008, 05:48 PM   #340
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

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P.s how does the site know whos a donk and who isn't?
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There's a box you have to tick when you sign up.
much love to this.

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I have become a pyshic having the ability to read the river card with ease!!
If you were psychic, wouldn't you always win? Or at least know that you were gonna get ridiculed for your post?

Last edited by Markusgc; 12-31-2008 at 05:54 PM. Reason: lol - "after 200 hours" - must be metric hours imo
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Old 12-31-2008, 06:34 PM   #341
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This is the pattern. I know exactly what you are talking about. And now a few who are in the conspiracy will come here and write "do you think PKR is after your micro limit dollars?". It's not about the couple dollars, it's about keeping the fish come back and keep the money divided by the players to rake them all over time.

Later when you get better, you will be able to read the turn and even the flop too. And, dont be so sure of it, but when you get as good as me, you can also read the preflop also known as hole cards before anyone has taken action.


[ ] Also known as hole cards
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Old 01-01-2009, 07:25 AM   #342
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Re: PKR is rigged!!

I think Mason Malmuth wrote a nice essay about bad players thinking its rigged. He had good points were he said that after 10 hours there is for instance 40% chance that they have won money, and 60% that they have lost some. After 1000 hours its 10% that they are winning and 90% that they are loosing. This is why so many players think that the sites allow them to win for a while and then end up loosing.

When thinking about it like that I think its almost understandable why people like OP could think of himself as a winning players after a few hours, and then imagine its rigged.

(I don't remember the numbers, and I might have something wrong, but still a nice idea )
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:07 AM   #343
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Thanks for your replies (especially the stage 3 one, you could be right might?)



But most of you don't seem to get the point here.



I'm not saying I should be kicking everyones arse because I have read up a bit on hold'em, nor am I saying that micro players are crap. In fact I'm one of a few players who would actually say that some of the micro players are very good players at THIS level.



I know that they would get torn apart at higher levels. But they have learnt the way to play at this level. No book (I don't think?) will tell you how to play at this level because it go's against every teaching aspect of the game.



If you read every book on hold'em and played at the highest level, then came down to micro stakes you would have to simply change the way you play. These players have learnt chasing the draws is very profitable with the implied odds, fair play to them!



My gripe is however the sheer high percentage that the draws hit. The law of averages means that after 100's of drawing hands it should be around the 1 in 3 chance. But this is not happening.



If someone calls against unfavourable the pot odds then fair play they have their implied odds. But when they are calling against massive pot odds and keep hitting you have to wonder? Maybe I'm just on a real bad losing streak?



Incidently was heads up today and had pocket aces, guess what? so did the other player! Odds 270000/1. Now if I was playing heads up all the time I would say well it's gonna come up sooner than later. But this was pretty much a one off. Was playing a six player table and simply went down to the two of us for a few hands!



Good luck at the tables! Will try to move up to stage 4!!!
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:26 AM   #344
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You are currently in Stage 3 of your interwebz poker development grasshopper.

Stage 1 (discovery)- They have poker on the internet? Cool! Let me try it.
Stage 2 (success)- ZOMG, I am so good and these guys I play against are so bad, I'm gonna be a pro and I'm gonna get a Porsche and I'm gonna make a gajillion dollars and I'm gonna...
Stage 3 (post-setback)- This crap be rigged, yo.
Stage 4 (variamemory)- You know, it does look like it will all even out eventually. I forget the times my QQ beats AA but remember the times it happens the other way. I remember when they suckout on me but don't even think about the other 19 times where my hand held because he didn't suckout on me and he just folded and I never saw his cards.
Stage 5 (restart)-If I take this seriously and actually learn the games and improve and grow in knowledge, I could possibly make some coin at this stuff.
This.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:01 AM   #345
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That's right, after over 200 hours of playing micro limits I have absolutely no doubt that the cards are rigged for the crap players!
Can I just ask you to clarify how PKR found out you were a good player before you started playing there? Did you have to tick a box when signing up admitting you were a good player?

If so then I see where you're coming from. If not, then as you have lost since going on there, I would advise you to move up seriously in limits, their "save the donk" system will now have you tagged as one of the "crap players", so you must be due to get all the draws or your good hands holding up. And of course with the advantage of the knowledge you have, you want to be getting your good hands at the highest possible levels.

Of course if you ticked the "good player" box, this advise does not apply.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:18 AM   #346
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:21 AM   #347
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LOL
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Old 01-01-2009, 01:01 PM   #348
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DiamondDog owns thread... ...and... done.
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Old 01-01-2009, 02:44 PM   #349
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You are currently in Stage 3 of your interwebz poker development grasshopper.

Stage 1 (discovery)- They have poker on the internet? Cool! Let me try it.
Stage 2 (success)- ZOMG, I am so good and these guys I play against are so bad, I'm gonna be a pro and I'm gonna get a Porsche and I'm gonna make a gajillion dollars and I'm gonna...
Stage 3 (post-setback)- This crap be rigged, yo.
Stage 4 (variamemory)- You know, it does look like it will all even out eventually. I forget the times my QQ beats AA but remember the times it happens the other way. I remember when they suckout on me but don't even think about the other 19 times where my hand held because he didn't suckout on me and he just folded and I never saw his cards.
Stage 5 (restart)-If I take this seriously and actually learn the games and improve and grow in knowledge, I could possibly make some coin at this stuff.
You forget 4.5. Bah, I was just running good. This **** really is rigged. (go back to Stage 3)
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:04 PM   #350
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That's right, after over 200 hours of playing micro limits I have absolutely no doubt that the cards are rigged for the crap players!


if that were true you'd be winning
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