do you pay more rake if you're in a pot HU on a 6max table? like on zoom? 6 players at the table, only 2 players postflop, was is $0.50 before or $2.80 at mid stakes?

Yeah, just mention few post back recreational players dont start SNG either...all forms of sng are first sat by regs.
In my higher stake games all but one reg sits down and waits for one recreational player!

Them also killing of the "Battle of the Planets" the same time these rake changes are anounced, is another way of telling us f-off.

same to me makes 0 sense like they are purposely GGing themselves

Not good bro, not good!!

Last week the site was a shambles kept getting disconnected mid tournament for hours every night!seems to have been fixed for this week

Take a peek at the 888 row thread. Even with the changes PS made, they are still lower rake wise than the other sites. Amaya knew this. They were charging a ridiculously lower rake.

The argument you can make is that the other sites are softer. It will be up to the regs now to determine whether the smaller difference in rake is still better than the slightly softer games. Amaya is betting you'll either stay, or come back quickly after exploring the other sub-par competitors.

It always bafiles me when people whine and bitch like everyone on this thread about a company trying to make the most profit possible. Hmmm hello dummies that is the reason why people create companies to make money off of it. Do you think they owe you anything? If you don't like the changes don't play.

Or work really hard to create your own company and give all the peoe you care so much a share of your profits. Which btw you never would if you were a business owner. A bunch if whiny ****ing hypocrites.

From what I read into their response they are making these changes to find a way into the US market. A couple different ways:
1. Raising rake to pay for battling folks like Sheldon Adelson
2. Using that money to pay lobbyists
3. Using that money to pay fees/taxes required by the government once accepted
4. Raise the revenues on their books to make them a more viable legit company in the eyes of wall street and the US in general.

Any reference to players or gameplay is not truthful. They only mention it because they know there would be an uprising.

I figure the corporate guys and the board looked at the numbers thinking they may lose a few players short term but if it gets them into the US their player pool wil easily triple long term.

I wish raidalot wanted to represent poker community in courts. What a brilliant post!

EVERYONE DO THIS

Unless they are breaking the law.

How is pokerstars breaking the law?

bro, you're a stupid mother ****er. pokerstars owe us everything. they wouldn't have been what they are today if it wasn't us, the players.

Problem with the argument ; `Amaya is doing all this to comeback in US market `

Is that if amaya go back usa, it will be ps.us , and 80% of current players on stars will never play vs usa people..

Correct me if i am wrong!

You're the idiot sorso. Get a job and get a fn clue how the real world works seriously

Lmao. So you the player put the capital to create pokerstars? Because a business is nothing but an idea without capital.

You thinking you made anything is laughable. You think you made apple too? You think you made microsoft? You are just a consumer. And more of you are born everyday. You are disposable. Lmao at this kid thinking he made any thing.

Pretty much this

I wish i could correct you....but unfortunately youre right.

so, you have a job right? i had a job bitch. what's your point?

The PSnews twitter account just tweeted something regarding the rake increase and upset players but the tinyurl link does not work as per usual.

That you are an idiot who doesn't understand what goes into building a company and somehow feels entitoed as if he had anything to do with their success.

Tl Dr you are an idiot

Okay, this is actually a little complicated and it's late here, so someone check my math please.

For a $100 hyper sat:

The old structure was 98.04 + 1.96. So a breakeven regular was making $1.96 profit on a $98.04 tourney. That is an ROI of .01999 (1.96/98.04) before the rake is taken out.

The new structure is 96.87 + 3.13, so the same player would make $1.94 (.01999*$96.87) before rake.

So whereas the player was breakeven before rakeback before, now he loses $1.19 per tournament ($3.13 rake - $1.94 profit)

With the old structure, a player has to play 92764 $100s to earn SNE (1000000 VPPs/(1.96 rake *5.5))

With the new structure, a player has to play 58089 (1000000 VPPs/(3.13 rake *5.5))

SNE benefits are around $125,000

125,000/92764= $1.35 rakeback per tournament old structure

125,000/58089 = $2.15 rakeback per tournament new structure

So our breakeven reg makes $1.35 NET per tournament with the old structure

He makes $.96 NET per tournament with the new structure ($2.15 - $1.19)

So a 39 cent drop in NET profit per tournament at the $100 level

For a former breakeven reg, that's a 29% drop ((1.35 - .96)/1.35) in net profit. Of course, for a 1% winner it's a smaller % drop, and for a loser prerakeback, it could be a 100% drop or more, depending on how much you were pulling in. The important number is 39 cents, or a 0.39% drop in ROI.

For comparison, if you played the same 92764 $100 tournaments required this year to get SNE, you would lose $36177 (.39 per tourney) under the new structure. So the "SNE volume" that regs are used to would net you approximately $88823 this year instead of $125,000

any bussines without consumers is equal to 0 bro. i don't care how much money you invest in a company. if the consumers don't buy your product you're doomed. trust me, there are a lot of companies out there that lost their customers because they wanted to make a lot of money in a short period of time, selling poor quality products. have a look at nokia.

By abusing their monopoly.

How do they have a monopoly when they are not in one of the biggest markets in the world the usa. Their competitors like party are. And they are pulling from other markets? Lmao do you know what a monopoly is or do you just Google and link Wikipedia links? Ao at these morons. Learn a thing or two about the real world.