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Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets Announcement:  PokerStars Changes to Rake, Spin & Go Prizes, and Battle of the Planets

10-30-2014 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Invader
888 can be the new number one in the online poker business in less than 2 years if this incompetent group that knows nothing about online poker keep doing this changes. So this is the way amaya came out to have the money they spent faster... Well, congrats on ****ing your business!
888 doesn't like winning players and hasn't for a long time now. Your only real options right now include ipoker and the winning poker network.

Alternatively, you could always try to learn a trade or polish up the résumé..
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10-30-2014 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LukeSilver
I am in the process of writing a long email to pokerstars with maths showing that it will now be mathmaticly impossible for anyone but SNEs to make a profit after rake back for the games im targeting at any stakes above $5 and that most of the SNES will now be turned into losing to the rake even after rake back for these games.

and that I am now gone from pokerstars. I am serious with this statement and currently preparing a spreadsheet and email to send to pokerstars regarding this and am happy to provide this information once i have completed preparing it to anyone that wants to challenge me on that point.

the behavior of poker stars now goes beyond all rational sense. when peoples behavior seems so irrational there is only two realistic logical conclusions that can be drawn.

1. they are totally incompetent. this is true the minority of the time note that.
2. there agenda is different to what you postulate and actually makes sense from there stand point.

thus i no longer believe that the pokerstars actually are trying to make profit but rather there new owners are trying to kill online poker this may sound absurd but seriously do not be surprised if Sheldon Alderson is involved somewhere.
Okay since nobody wants...

I challenge you to post the math.
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10-30-2014 , 02:18 PM
amaya bunch of ******s.. ****** idiots!!!
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10-30-2014 , 02:21 PM
and ofc we didnt get 1 reply from a pokerstars rep/ team pro.. stars is going down the drain, i give it 2-3 years for amaya to kill it.
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10-30-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by alternative 3
Interesting argument but a little flawed. Amaya and Stars arent companys at the edge of starvation. Ps made how much? 500 mio a year? I dont wanna know how much crap lot of money amaya makes. So jeah they get taxed and still make a ton TON of money.

This announcement is really a punch in the face.
Their net income was 225 million for the first 6 months this year… I guess i somewhat agree if PokerStars was a private company i think they would still put the players first even if that meant lets say losing 15% of their net income to paying taxes to certain country…. Now if Amaya posts net income less than the year before shareholders do not care about increased taxes… they just want to see growth in profits…. It is amazing though that they are sitting on loads of cash after expenses.
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10-30-2014 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ibavly
I'd be in. This is a disaster for every reg, if there's a union where people are committed to being able to strike, taking a couple days off isn't that crazy but would cost stars millions every day
It would not be too hard to have at least $1,000 regs strike on one day. Maybe more
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10-30-2014 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Invader
888 can be the new number one in the online poker business in less than 2 years if this incompetent group that knows nothing about online poker keep doing this changes. So this is the way amaya came out to have the money they spent faster... Well, congrats on ****ing your business!
888 is another reg unfriendly site and they are just as incompetent.

Next.
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10-30-2014 , 02:35 PM
I'm not allowed to play on 888 so I cannot know, why it is reg unfriendly?
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10-30-2014 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 4-Star General
I'm not allowed to play on 888 so I cannot know, why it is reg unfriendly?
Table cap of 8.
Haven't checked into them further as that tilted me enough hehe.
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10-30-2014 , 02:42 PM
someone post the image above F knows how
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10-30-2014 , 02:44 PM
^

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10-30-2014 , 02:52 PM
does this affect 180 mans?
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10-30-2014 , 02:54 PM
ty cbt
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10-30-2014 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
should we not be more mad at our Governments than Amaya? They are the ones imposing high taxes on online poker.. Amaya is just adjusting to compensate for those taxes.
passing on the costs of legislation to the customers is pretty objectionable in the first place, but Stars are actually going beyond that and hitting customers with a surcharge that exceeds any additional costs they face. It's beyond disgusting.

Anyway, all the hand-wringing and complaining isn't going to make a jot of difference. As with all consumer/business relationships, the consumer's most powerful option is the right to take one's business elsewhere. We can complain about Amaya's "horrible business decisions" as much as we want, but they're only horrible decisions if they cost them money. If you feel strongly about this, now's the time to stop playing on Pokerstars.
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10-30-2014 , 02:59 PM
what's next a fee for changing table background ?

2 dollars to use your own picture?
10$ to mute chat for someone?

lol i'm moving this so sick and i thought the gov took alot of fees amaya is the king of fees!

sorry guys but your ****t seriously lol
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10-30-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sattla
what's next a fee for changing table background ?

2 dollars to use your own picture?
10$ to mute chat for someone?

lol i'm moving this so sick and i thought the gov took alot of fees amaya is the king of fees!

sorry guys but your ****t seriously lol
dont give them ideas lolz
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10-30-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulyJames200x
So what players are uneffected by this then?


It seems like only MTT players and mtt-sng thus 180 man and 18 and 45 man players and fifty/50 players are the only ones unaffected by this?
Not quite true...Battle of the planets has gone which means successful sit n go grinders will no longer have that bonus prize money during their good weeks, which will affect the yearly earnings for those players significantly.
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10-30-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sattla
what's next a fee for changing table background ?

2 dollars to use your own picture?
10$ to mute chat for someone?

lol i'm moving this so sick and i thought the gov took alot of fees amaya is the king of fees!

sorry guys but your ****t seriously lol
If you just ran the business and didn't actually play the game to make profit, this wouldn't be a bad idea. Essentially trying to copy the console gaming business of charging for downloadable content.

$1 background changes, $20 for a name change, etc.
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10-30-2014 , 03:04 PM
BOP gone? Only worth playing for on pokerstars.fr for sng regs. Goodbye.
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10-30-2014 , 03:07 PM
p32 or 33

whahttt... lolffish just lol. go back to tarrot card soul reading, tarrot card fish.

The only way to stop amayastars is to stop raking. That's the only thing they'll understand... but poker players are too single minded to adjust correctly.

Last edited by TopPair2Pair; 10-30-2014 at 03:16 PM. Reason: btw... fu stars and your shill dept
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10-30-2014 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by VithelTone
I just realized this...

They are so clueless that they announced this at the end of the year, if they have done this next year halfway a lot of people would have been stuck, but thanks for being stupid and giving people the opportunity to not go for sne next year.
I find it funny that amaya is taking the strategy of trying to **** regs, increase profit and they still can't execute it properly. Haha.

Withdrawing funds. Bye stars

Last edited by tmckendry; 10-30-2014 at 03:26 PM.
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10-30-2014 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Abe008
Plus raked rebuys/add-ons for a large portion of the player pool, and increased rake on KO tournaments.
Yeah, that's the irony. They changed so **** much that I couldn't even memorize it all while writing that post.


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Originally Posted by calum101
does this affect 180 mans?
Yes, it will affect the 3.5R since some people will be paying rake on rebuys, meaning that the total prize pool will be smaller. Following this, some regs will leave 3.5R and play 2.5$ or 8$ instead.


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They are so clueless that they announced this at the end of the year, if they have done this next year halfway a lot of people would have been stuck, but thanks for being stupid and giving people the opportunity to not go for sne next year.
I'm def sure that their recent changes cover up for that.

Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 10-30-2014 at 03:27 PM.
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10-30-2014 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by C.Br0wn
i like this, some meaningfull avatars in the making already?
Or we could stop playing there and not care about our avatars
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10-30-2014 , 03:28 PM
In b4 pots are raked preflop

Probably shouldn't have said that out aloud in case someone from Amaya is reading this thread
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