id offer to run your stable demetri, but id want you to sign a contract that says you can't berate or threaten death or cancer upon me or my family.

I don't think discussion with Demetri leads anywhere, I just wish Asylum was able to pay him back and quit the stake but I think it will be hard given that he has to deal with this brick.

sure ,taking apps tbh

send me one in (i pay well)and it is risk free for you

(promise to not scam me though)

i will take your other advice after i take what is left of your few horses

saying i am so bad and you are so great after having people on slave deals is lol

yes maybe they bully you ,but in the long run you are making fools of them on 50/50 deals

lets cut some mtters 90/10 and see who is being really nice.nice is giving them what they are due ,not you pretending to be a friend and keeping them on 50/50 deals

i'm going to change this market for the better

Trying to decide what the number would be where I would manage your stable. 10k/mo? Maybe not enough lol. Would have to at least consider it around that number though. Seriously glad you're going this route Demetri. Way better for you. Way better for horses. Way worse for drama salivating posters and lurkers

Read the entire thread. I have 1 question. Why do players need to be staked? People really need to get staked to play $2 tournys. I guess i'm clueless on this

Hey Demetri at what price would you sell Asylums MU?

you may laugh ,but yes.even $2 180s you can have 1k+ swing

so if you are someone who has $100-$200 roll then you need a backer to get in them games.it works like that all the way to the top

people are having $15,000+ swings with avg buy ins of $15 ,the game is tough now

many can beat it ,but can't stay in it due to the swings.then these so called great backers/sharks come in with there 50/50 deals and there coaches that are worth $50 per hour

take the 90/10 deal and buy yourself the top coach and have plenty of cash left for yourself

i must say this has turned into principle more than anything now for me.so it sells for 100%

he was rude to me to ,he did plenty of wrong to ,as i did .so no way should someone get a freeroll and dump $15,000 make cause they don't like how someone talks to them

so many bad backers out there ,take days for reloads ,they offer terrible deals etc etc (but they are friendly)LOL

i offer a good service ,he threw that back in my face.but i am still offering him a fair deal to work this out

lets see if he uses this thread to jump ship,will say a lot about him

That actually makes sense.

Demetri: You should have cut the op a long time ago. Oh, and you seem like the worst backer ever. I hope you enjoy staking bums cuz after this **** nobody is going to want anything to do with you.

If you're staking a player with a $11 or < ABI on a 90/10 deal, its confirmed, you're crazy. However, dealing with you and your "I'm the man and 100% always right" attitude has to be worth 20%+

There were countless posts in the Joker thread stating he should get someone to manage his horses.

Somehow in that thread he actually managed to create a lot of sympathy for a likely scammer through his behaviour, which on 2+2 where scammers are the lowest of the low is truely mind-boggling.

He obviously glossed over any constructive post in that thread because he still had reasonable support due to Jokers behaviour.

Now in this thread where his true colours are so clear to see and no-one at all has offered support to him hes finally realised he has to do something different. This unfortunately is not because he realises its a good idea, but because hes basically been found out and doesnt really have another option if he wants to keep using 2+2.

Hopefully 2+2 will see sense that you cant have a character like this anywhere near the site, and even if he gets someone to front the stable whos not an abusive e-thug he will still be controlling it and nothing really will change.

Id be happy to get a thread going in ATF requesting a perma-ban or co-sign, offer support to any more reputable poster that wants to start it.

Dumbest **** I've ever heard after reading this thread... You are unhappy with him because of his losing play, and he has no motivation to play for you (because you're a psycho ass hole). yet you won't even make an offer to get (you both) past the whole situation. Shows that your irrational meat-head mentality over rules any business sense you may have

ever since i turned you down for a stake you have stalked me and bad mouthed me .get over it man ,you where not good enough what can i say

even in the last longer thread where i did loads of work and put lots of free cash up for people you still where rude to me and about me (everyone said i did a great job)

i know you are not beating the game any more but that is really not my fault dude ,you need to get over it and move on

You are so deluded its actually quite scary.

lol

I left you at the 12.5k games part btw..



obviously you re so narrow minded like always that you think i have only played on Pokerstars . Our whole argument was about how you should let me play on euro sites, you were strongly against it then you threatened me , insulted me and told me ill never be a winning player.. Because of that i made it my mission to quit you , and after quitting you , i went on a huge upswing by final tabling Warm up , SCOOP 215$ , FTOPS 100r , Sunday Brawl , and many huge euro majors , all mtts that you were super against..
im saying all this because it goes to show how clueless you are about MTT s and poker in general.. you are yourself a horrible player and dont know **** about poker so you really should not be backing anyone.
i still remember how you would let me play the 54$ KO turbo , but not the big 55 , just because my 55$ stats were not good enough LOL.. you fail to understand that the field in b55 is 10 x softer than a 54$KO turbo, but you just look at what you see and have no imagination/thinking process beyond that. And that s how you handle all your horses.. " Oh this guy can make me money , ok ill enslave him to make me money and if he does anything wrong ill cripple him anyway possible "

i think demetri is likely a despicable person motivate solely by the pursuit of profit(probably why he/his stable has had so many 75k+ months), but if OP refused to drop the higher end of buyins which he was getting crushed at he's clearly in the wrong(contract says this is demetris right). bazooka is correct that demetri needs to prove this.

i dont want to come off as supporting demetri because that couldn't be farther from the truth. i find his business venture to be predatory and he seems to enjoy taking advantage of people who don't really know the ins and outs of staking.

Demetri, you keep saying so many of your horses would say great things about you, but not ONE SINGLE REPUTABLE MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY has come into this thread to support you. The way you treated OP in those chat logs is despicable and I wouldn't blame him for not paying you back one red cent.

you're an immature, spiteful, and small man.

Also i do admit that once i said you ran a well organized stable , but that doesnt mean you are a good backer. If you were the guy that was just responsible of sending money and taking care of contracts, then your stable would be epic , as long as you have someone else dealing with the horses/chatting with them etc.
Other than the fact that you were good at taking care of transactions , you literally sucked at EVERYTHING else.

so you are saying when i horse threatens to break the rules you do what ?

you have two options ,drop him in make up or have a go at him

i had a go at him ,that is 100% fine.i then let him have his way and carry on playing the games i did not want him to play

if every horse did the above how would backers last ?

every horse right now would just break the backers rules,come to 2+2 if the backer has a go at you and then leave the stake in make up with a clear conscience

that is not right and will never work with me and any other winning backer

good to know,so you are saying 90/10 deal for mtters with a decent stable manager would be me offering the best stable deal ?

(the above could be happening very soon)

This is why you're delusional. No, your approach is not 100% fine. It's not even 1% fine. It solves nothing and it's why your reputation has taken a massive hit. You're literally setting money on fire when you talk to people like this yet you don't see it. You set money on fire with them directly. They tell others or it gets posted publicly like this so you indirectly set your own money on fire.

This is not how other backers do things and as long as you have horses with some character and morals who value your business relationship then they won't just break all your rules and try to angle out of makeup. There's always going to be some bad eggs though. Suck it up, pay the price, and move on.

You still haven't shown that he played games he wasn't allowed to. Yes, you told him to play smaller and he said no. You then relented and gave in to his demands, yes? All he did was argue for what was in his best interests. Maybe it's a language barrier, but he definitely didn't scam you or break the contract in any way (or at least not that you've shown yet).