everyone who's reading this thinks you are an idiot.

you went crazy at him when he wasn't playing much that month but he had a good excuse and was on schedule for the games a month
A normal person would act normal and wait for normal days( not the Halloween) and see if he is gonna grind then before he would say something about it. But you were calling him a loser and that he is a bad dad and that he is a scammer(didnt even mention the family/friends threat thinks) and own u 16k.

I think you let the situation escalate and he owes u nothing but 1k games a month.
But i dont know if he still want to grind for such an *******

He wont , if he kills one of the horses he looses the make up but in the hospital can give them a laptop for the grind to continue

it's sad that there is truth in this statement, he will just murder the entire horse's family instead. no more excuses not to grind AMIRITE?

LOL,cause i went mad at 1 of my guys for breaking my rules ...i said i would out you ,yeah what a horrible person i am

he owes me 16k and i lose it when he does not send money back ,lies,break rules etc

are you clueless ???

every day worst is said on these forums from regs to regs ,let alone when 16k is up top

no, you are clueless on how to treat humans with and amount respect and dignity

wtf are you talking about ,i have not threaten him

i just shouted at him for taking the pi s s

how the **** does he own u 16k? Did he won the b11 this sunday and he cashed it out?

and the other 300 guys i backed who did not have a problem and i did not shout at ???

just highlight the ones that try and scam me ,god you fools would not last 5 mins in this game

and if you did it would be a painful 5 mins

I've no interest in either party here before you label me a keyboard warrior Demeteri.

After reading through this, I can see at one point the horse states he won't drop his mtts as the reason he got backed was to play them. However, according to him not once did he reg an mtt without your permission. You can play on that threat if you like, however after all the threats you made in that skype log it would seem silly

You on the other hand seem to have breached an agreement. You promised your horse 1k at the end of the month on the condition he played 1k games from what I can gather, but the deal was he got the games in, not how he did. He might not have been playing them exactly how you would have wished (24 tablees rather than 10 or whatever) however, half way throught he month you pull this deal. This in my opinion is the breach of contract. I know him having a family is not your fault, however this is the reason he took the deal even in the extremely hostile circumstances you were creating with your way of conducting business. He just wanted to find a solution to get you your money back and still be able to afford bills for his young family.

And as the horse, this is where I would have looked for advice from the community (especially backers) and looked to have ended my agreement with you, terminating the make up. You broke the deal, not him. Even though it seemed like you were trying to force him into it.

It's not his fault you picked a losing horse. Also can somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are backed and decide poker is not for you and just not cut out for it. You decide to completely quit the game, is it not just a loss the backers have to deal with? Obviously you can't just go play on another account or whatever. Maybe that's in this contract and he signed up for it and I missed it.

good edit

but i think you finally get it

I tried many things with him ,but he could not do them

he did not play the 1,000 games that we agreed on and he broke that idea by not playing xxx amount of days per week

the deal stated he plays 5-6 days per week (no good someone avg like him plays 100+ games in one day ,i knew this and told him that.he agreed but then broke it)

fair enough he could not do it ,but that does not make our contract void and the MU dead ,LOL

Again with all due respect if you work like this you will be broke very soon

well ,you have no clue how hard this is

out of 300+ guys i have a problem with maybe 2-4 tops and you jump all over me saying i am terrible i am bad etc etc

untrue and silly ,makes you look like a fool from my point of view

OP has taken the nut line so far. The potential is there. Too bad you missed out on it D.

Did you make it clear he had to play 'x' amount of days per week? Or did you make it clear he had to play 1000 games per month? If you don't state, surely it is up to him to decide how he gets these games in.

From what I read you cancelled the $1k promised because he wasn't winning? Which had nothing to do with the deal you had. And he hadn't got 1k games in yet because you cancelled half way through the month whilst he was on track?

You say it doesn't make your deal dead. But why not? Why is it ok for you to breach the deal and have no repercussions? Isn't a breach of contract the scummiest thing in the world to you? Isn't this what you're all about Demetri?

It seems to me he didn't break the deal at all. He most likely just sucked at poker. And you sold him the dream about the big score. When that failed and he couldn't beat the games and he needed money in real life, you decided to force him into a corner and make him your slave. If he didn't agree you'd out him to his family? Abuse him about being a bad father and by the looks of it attempt to portray him as something he's not to his soon to be wife?

I really hope people read this thread and realise you are not someone they should conduct business with. You might claim to be a good backer, but you are a horrible person and someone 2+2 should wipe their hands with.

my last post ...

this horse was as bad as me ,saying we are both wrong i can take

but it is the type of wrong i am not against from my side .i went mad at a horse because he broke rules ,lied ,would not send money back and few other minor problems

it takes two to tango and two where in the wrong here .my threats where ONLY to out him ,he attacked me personally saying i am bad ,so i did the same to him.he told me himself his wife agreed with me.see the screen shot posted in my neg feed back thread

so going forward

does he owe $15,000 make up to a backer that shouted at him after he threaten/broke rules??? of course he does

but it is not as simple as that as he has a family to feed etc ,so...

play poker when you can,put your family first and work as much as you can.but when you can play poker and you do make profit you can chop some of that and the rest will go to make up

this is very fair on both parties

if you start to get a good amount of MU and you get your A game back then I will let you take some shots,as we all know if one of them shots comes in this problem will be solved

this is my last post in this thread.

(treat as you are treated,over 300+ horses no more than 4 problems.you do the maths.it is the majority you go with in life not the minority)

re: bolded

Yeah, like what? You keep saying things like this without explaining so it comes across like BS.

Again, if you want the community to take your side (probably not going to happen with how unprofessional you've been) you need to show proof to statements like this and explain exactly what he did that you had problems with.

As for you breaking your deal, did you tell him explicitly he had to play x days per week? Or only that he had to get in 1k games per month? If the agreement was for x days per week, simply prove that and it will look like he broke the deal and not you.

If he really did break the deal you had, simply prove it and people here will agree he owes you the money.

Hey demetri I know a guy thats looking for a stake. His name is William Souther. Hes a reasonable fellow and I think the both of you could make some real magic happen. Send him a DM on twitter if you're interested. Link to his twitter in the spoiler. Thanks m8

"it is the majority you go with in life not the minority"
whooaaaaaaaaaaa.

fights over guys, demetri wins. Especially since it was his last post. Majority wins its as simple as that. majority of thread= agree with big D

Just for you buddy ...you can see the chat screen shot and the scope screen shot



he played 2 days that week,i don't count the one 90 cent game he let his wife play a playing day

so that chat started and that plan ended,what you don't get about this guy is that you try your hardest and he just throws it back in your face

some get mad at that ,i can prove so much more.but he owes 15k mu ,i told him what he needs to do ...it is up to him now

It's called a downswong....get over it shmuck....He wants to play and you still clown him....fuq yourself D

TT seems one sided.

D,

U need some of the Spartan 300 itt. Surely a few of these peeps can vouch for ya.

do you really tell people they can move up if they work hard, to $11 mtts where "36k is up top"?

So you said this on February 11th if my euro calendar is correct. Obviously this is just an excerpt. Can you screenshot this day where you told him 4-5 days a week?

[11/02/2014 21:24:38] demetri1978: so u need to play no less than 1,000 games per month ...obv more is better ...you need to study sats ,study 180 mans ,cause that is all you will be playing 7 days a week
[11/02/2014 21:25:04] demetri1978: it will be 180 mans up to $3 rebuys and sats up to $4 rebuys ,i don't want to see u in any target events

Then you came up with 4-5 days a week on March 15th, when apparently he was already at 500 games and on pace for 1k games a month. Did you require 4-5 days a week when you made the original agreement on February 11th?

[15/03/2014 17:38:28] demetri1978: If you can't play 4-5 days per week then you are not playing full time for me
[15/03/2014 17:38:33] demetri1978: You are part time
[15/03/2014 17:38:50] demetri1978: Which means no pre cashouts and u may as well get a job
[15/03/2014 17:39:01] demetri1978: And play like you are now
[15/03/2014 17:39:05] demetri1978: Part time

Are there any level headed people who voluntarily deal with demetri who could illuminate another side of him in which he isn't an emotionally inept bigot?

wow what bullying piece of ****in ****. You should be ashamed of yourself and hopefully will surely get zero respect or support from any1 in the poker community ever again.

I wonder how many backers use these bullying tactics. Just disgusting behaviour.

gl asylum, i hope things work out for you. Says a lot for your character that you remained so calm for so long with all bullying, degrading chat from that wanker.