I raise it up pre... suited 4 gapper, good enough. I flop all blacks. I have a good drawing hand, so even though I'm first to act I bet out. Then I get trainwreck beat by this goofball donk player. Why is he even in the hand? I'm running 86/14 and he raises?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25+$0.00 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t1950)
SB (t1910)
BB (t8970)
UTG (t3740)
Hero (UTG+1) (t5926)
MP1 (t1940)
MP2 (t1450)
MP3 (t1790)
CO (t130)

Hero's M: 131.69

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, 8
UTG calls t30, Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP3 calls t90, CO raises to t130 (All-In), 3 folds, UTG calls t100, Hero calls t40, MP3 calls t40

Flop: (t565) 7, A, 2 (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero bets t350, 2 folds

Turn: (t565) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t565) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t565

Results:
Hero had J, 8 (one pair, sevens).
CO had 5, 4 (straight, five high).
Outcome: CO won t565

you said yourself the guy was constantly 'donk calling all in' and you aren't more than 60% against any hand in the deck, except a smaller 6. You couldn't limp and try to hit a good flop? or make it 9000 to go pre and find out when he reraised allin that you were fudged?

no good player would shove 35 BB with A6s when there hasn't even been a raise, sorry.

also HINT: when the guy who is jamming allin every hand suddenly just calls, he probably has a great hand, esp if he is an unthinking clown, like most freerolls are full of.

OMFG. OK, that thread brought me out of lurk mode. And almost got me fired. Seriously. Tough to explain rolling on the floor and crying at work.

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[x] is still 100% convinced that's the most hillarious thing in the history of this site, online poker, and quite possibly the entire internet.

If you read the entire thread you would know that this is NOT a trainwreck bad beat.

I will take 60% chance to double up.And I was getting 20k if he folds,and if he calls,there is like a 85% chance my hand was the best hand at the table preflop.And if he calls like he might probably do based on his donk play,there is 85% chance I have the better hand preflop,and a 60% chance the better A6hand would hold up against his lesser hand(85% chance or so)And if he calls there is a good chance that I double up to 113k.So thats why I would take that edge.

And I dont like non all in raising here,because if flat called I am out of position postflop.And if I did raise,it would be more than 9k,as there was 20k in pot or so before any raise I would make preflop.I think I would have to make it 13k at least to go see the flop by anybody else.

But according to what your saying if your numbers and my numbers are right,this is a marginal +EV situation.And a decent ok good + TournyEV situation.

But hmmm even though this is probably the right move,if I am as sick of variance working against me,because it has worked against me,I probably want to avoid the variance of this move.In fact I think I remember my coach saying something about how I was embracing variance,and how if I wanted to avoid it,I would have to stop embracing variance by stopping and not doing certain moves,even though they are still profitable

I was tight,the tables I was at were tight,and the other players were tight.And so there wasnt many and very few hands that went past the flop or turn,and that got to showdown.Once my stack got up to 15k,postflop was pretty dead.And even before my stack got up to 15k there were few hands that that got to the river and or showdown.And as for blinds stealing and hammering,out of the 7 to 13 times I went after the blinds I only got caught 2 or 3 times at most.

It just wasnt a good tourney for posting hand histories,as I scanned for HH's that I would have questions on or would want linechecks on,and that as I scanned read thru the HH's I was pretty happy and satisfied on how I played the hands.

I kept on seeing boring mundane standardly played hands where I would say or think."this isnt a good HH to post.I did find 2 to 4 HH's that I posted questions on or about

This is generally true.But the donk wasnt jamming or shoving all in,he was calling all in with crap.And usually I have noticed that usually donk clowns who call all in with crap dont limp monsters,even when they stop and limp in

SO the BB was 1600 and there was 20k in the pot? did other people raise? did you shove over raises with a6 there?

As far as I understand it, the situation is:
1. Everyone has limped

2. At least one of the players has you well covered and is likely to call w any two cards.

3. The bubble is near.

4. You have plenty of chips in relation to the blinds (good M)

5. At best, you have a 60% chance of winning the pot.

6. Your hand does well in a multiway pot.

Correct description so far?

I would think that limping>>raising>>folding>>shoving.

First of all, you're talking about HIM (the big stack) all the time. There's 7 more players in the pot according to you that you have said nothing about. Can't one of them call you?

About your hand being best 85% of the time, where did you get that number from?

Have you done any Ev calcs on this that you'd like to share. My gut feeling is that it's probably not a good move but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

That's actually quite funny
In the microlimit forum we had a 100/100/100 competition that was hilarious, and kinda educational. 100/100/100 means you gotta have 100VPIP, 100% PFR (if not capped) and 100% saw flop. Play 100 hands at a FR cashtable. Most monies won is the champ.

no there wasnt a single raise and I was on the SB with my A6 suited.And the Blinds were going to go up soon,I think there was like 2 or so minutes left before the blinds would go up again,and I didnt want to hve a under 30 BB stack,and I also thought that with 77k,I would be able to make the final table and or make a run to win the tourney.And thats because the top place only pays out $15 so if I were to not make a move like this,an pass it up I might very well get card dead again,and get shortstacked and make the money yes but only have about 50c.

I was thinking I would much rather have more money,which meant taking a risk on a highly variant move,but that was still a marginally good +EV and TEV spot

has to be...

Mike

Well, I haven't seen that chart so can't really comment on it. However, I have 3 questions:

1. Why do you think that A6 has a lot better chance than KQ of being the best hand?

2. How close to the bubble and what's your position in the field?

3. The other players stack sizes at your table.

Not trolling but is OP mentally ******ed?

Good to see OP has finally made a Phil Gordon reference. Keep em coming Mike. Also, I'm anxious to see your next video.

I didn't read all the posts, but something I want to mention.

Running into AA with your KK is not a bad beat, it's a cooler, and most overpair vs overpair spots are coolers.

QQ losing to AK is not a bad beat, it's a lost coinflip.

In general, bad beats imply that you are overwhelmingly the favorite to win the hand but instead lose. For example, all in preflop with you holding AA and the other guy KK, and you lose, when you are favored something like 4:1 to win. TT vs A7 is a 2:1 favorite to win. Flopping a straight vs two pair on a QKT and losing occurs 1 in 6 times. So when it comes down to it, you aren't getting dealt as many bad beats as you think, it's simply the nature of the game. Keep in mind that the players who win tournaments, on average, get their chips in with only a 5% equity edge.

I also suspect that it really boils down to the fact that you just play poorly. Checking KK on a K56 flop is not good play regardless of the outcome, it's you have FPS and asking to get owned on a later street. Also, whining about the abundance of bad players shows complete lack of understanding of the game. Would you rather play a MTT with Daniel Negreanu, Johnny Chan, Tom Dwan, etc. etc.? You'd get eaten alive. We are all faced with the same average number of bad beats and the same suckouts/bad players. The ones that pull ahead are the ones that know how to capitalize on them and minimize the chips lost due to beats.

The first thing you need to do to get better is to change your attitude. Others don't play bad. You do.

While cleaning at home (yeah, gotta do that ya know) I was thinking about your A6s push into the field. The math involved to acturately calculate EV is too involved (for me at least) and also I don't have all the facts. However, we can guestimate using some easier math. You say it's nearing (not on) the bubble so I'm guestimating 32 players left, competing for a prize pool of $100. 2700 players with 1500 starting chips gives around 126000 as an average stack (sounds high at this blind level but w/e).

I'm not sure it's correct but I found this: http://www.jamorfold.com/icm.html

Pluggin in the numbers for your current status of 63k chips you have a current equity of around 1.96%. When you push and everyone folds your equity increases to 2.26% (your chips go to 77k if I remember right). These numbers can be plugged into a common formulae you can use to decide the breakpoint in the decision between pushing or folding. The formulae is:
Equity[push and win]*win%=Equity[fold]. "win" here would be that everyone folds

Plugging in your numbers gives that you need to get that fold 87% of the time for this to break even with the fold option.

The rest of the 13% you get called and has to make new calcs for that scenario.

So, do you figure that you get 8 people to fold 9/10? If that is the case, then it's pure +EV based on fold equity alone.

And as I said, it's just a guestimation. You can calculate it more exactly if you have the real numbers.

this video is one of the funniest i have ever seen. keep up the good work.

Legit bad beat rite

Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: t1120 M = 37.33
CO: t1560 M = 52
BTN: t1350 M = 45
SB: t1530 M = 51
BB: t1820 M = 60.67
UTG: t1460 M = 48.67
UTG+1: t2960 M = 98.67
Hero (MP1): t1700 M = 56.67

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is MP1 with T K
2 folds, Hero raises to t60, MP2 calls t60, 2 folds, SB calls t50, BB calls t40

Flop: (t240) T T 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t200, MP2 folds, SB calls t200, BB folds

Turn: (t640) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t480, SB raises to t1000, Hero raises to t1440 all in, SB calls t270 all in

River: (t3180) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t3180
SB shows J J (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
Hero shows T K (a full house, Tens full of Fours)
SB wins t3180

damn that stupid limper inner SB not raising his JJ on a tight a s s table against an ultimate tight a s s like you

what a trainwrek beat

how many accounts does bandi have?

i don't think i've ever gotten a migrane from a thread before.

Every few months a new generation of posters experience the phenomenon that is Mikeal_DH. This will die down and we'll be back here again in 6 months with the same old story (and literally the same posts from him, word for word).