I play the $1 micro stakes,until recently.I play the $1 18 to 27 man sit n go's.Now I have taken $15 to times and built that up to $80 playing these sit n go's.And offline at casino's,I have cashed 45 times out of 115 attempts and this year I am 23 cashes out of 53 attempts.

Only reason I mention this is to show that I am a pretty decent ok above average good player.I have also been coached online,etc.

So with that in mind,I have had 30 buy in a row lost losing streaks,and I have lost 70 buy ins steadly over time during monster bad runs twice now,so that after building $15 up to $80 2 times,I am down to $7 in my bankroll. I have had to move down to the .10 cents 25 cent and 1 cent and freeroll level,to preserve bankroll.

As for my play,I get outplayed out about 3 to 5% of time,I get trainwrecked beat out about 7 to 9% of time.I get bad beat legit out about 10 to 15% of time.I get fish beat out by fish,about 13 to 17% of time.I get donk beat out by donks about 20% of time,and I get goofball goof off beat out by goofball goof offs about 35 to 45% of time.

My Bad beat ratio is I take 3 to 5 bad beats for every 1 legit bad beat I give out.I only give out about 1 legit bad beat per every .75 of 1 tourney I play in.And about 97 to 99% of the bad beats I give out are legit.

The reason I asked for help,is that I am concerned,that altho I dont think I have tilted that much,and dont think my play overall has been bad,and has been good,I am concerned that I might start tilting,or playing bad because of this bad run,and that I might complicate the bad run and make things worse.

And so I have decided that every time I fail to cash,I will post HH,and or vids to hold myself accountable,and to embarrass myself if I play bad,when I do play good,know how to play,etc,and to get constructive help based on the HH's and vids I post.

I am also going to try to avoid goof offs,all in freaks,to lower my risk,variance factors,and try to focus on playing solid poker,and outplaying the below average to average,fish players out there,that I can more safely exploit,with less risk,less variance.Variance has not been my friend,so I am going to try to avoid it more.

I have also tried taking multiple breaks,but nothing I have tried has worked,or gotten me out of this bad run.This monster bad run I am in is the worst bad run I have ever had.

So any constructive non trolling,non flaming,advice,help,suggestions,etc on how to get out of this bad run would be greatly appreciated.I also know that many of you have had way worse bad runs,and have experience on turning those bad runs around.

So thanks in advance

Mike

Do you perhaps have a spreadsheet of these beats/plays that can better describe your results?

another judgment call but this has the makings of a HOF thread so have at it

Ok here I am going to test out the HH converter,now that I have found it and have figured out how to use it.So I am going to post a hand from the 250k freeroll into millions satelite round 1 promo.

Its a hand that I won on and got a lot on,mostly because the player was a fish donk,not because I played it great or anything.After this hand I will continue to post other big hands win or lose,from that tourney.Even the hands I play good,I need to play the best I can and extract the most I can,while minimizing my risk,variance,etc.Because with all the bad luck,I need to be playing my A+++++ game,in order to cash it seems,and that even 1 bad play or misplay,could keep me from cashing,because of all the bad luck,and that surely if I play even better than I already am,that will help me turn this bad run around.

So heres the HH:
No valid hand data could be detected

Well I tried to convert the HH file from Cake poker thats on notepad

So I guess I will have to post non converted HH sorry.

Hand#192857BCC2001749 - Freeroll into Millions $250k Satellite T5749954 -- Table 399 -- $0/$10/$20 NL Hold'em -- 2009/07/16 - 06:33:56
Seat 1: VicG***1 ($1,660 in chips)
Seat 4: eker***4 ($1,370 in chips)
Seat 5: Supe***5 ($1,370 in chips)
Seat 6: $TIM***6 ($2,840 in chips)
Seat 8: $ETH***8 ($1,480 in chips)
Seat 9: lika***9 ($1,790 in chips)
Seat 10: MikeDH1 ($1,500 in chips)
Supe***5: posts small blind 10
$TIM***6: posts big blind 20
Dealt to MikeDH1 [Kh,Kc]
Cash***7: folds
$ETH***8: folds
lika***9: calls 20
MikeDH1: raises to 120
VicG***1: folds
cell***2: folds
eker***4: folds
Supe***5: calls 110
$TIM***6: folds
lika***9: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [5s,6c,Kd]
Supe***5: checks
lika***9: checks
MikeDH1: checks
*** TURN *** [7s]
Supe***5: checks
lika***9: bets 20
MikeDH1: raises to 240
Supe***5: folds
lika***9: calls 220
*** RIVER *** [7c]
lika***9: is all in 1430.0000
MikeDH1: is all in 1140
lika***9: returns uncalled bet 290
***SHOW DOWN***
lika***9: shows [Qd 9s] (Pair of Sevens )
MikeDH1: shows [Kh Kc] (Full House, Kings full of Sevens )
MikeDH1: wins 3,140 with Full House, Kings full of Sevens

No valid hand data could be detected

Tried again.Dont know why the HH converter wont convert the copied pasted HH section from the HH notepad file from Cake Poker of all the HH's in the tourney.

Help! What do I have to do to convert HH?Why wont it Convert the HH from Cake Poker?Do I have to copy paste every HH in the Notepad HH file from Cake?Help!

ssync gave us his okay, but remember kids:

is that a picture of my co-mod Dantes?

I am mildly curious about the distinctions between these bad beats.

No I dont have a spread sheet,But I have been keeping pretty close track mentally,I keep a mentally bad beat counter,and a mental donkbeat or goof off beat by donks,goofs counter mentally.

Also I have a pretty good idea as shown by my post above,that I do keep track of generally,on the average,how I am doing mentally as honestly as I can.

I know its not perfect,or exactly right,but what I said in my post isnt that far off.Also like I said before,I have been coached by successful players.I have been staked and paid back those stakes,and turned those $15 stakes into $80 2 times playing the $1 sit n go's and I have said how I have done offline at casinos,and have been honest about it.

And others here on the boards here,have verified that I have played and done well at those casinos.So based on that since that shows I am a pretty decent ok good above average player,that knows how to play solid poker,since thats the case,and since I honestly try to keep mental track of how I am doing,I dont think its likely that my play is to blame most of the time.

Now maybe once in a while on a few rare occasions some of the time,I might have slipped into bad play without realizing it,and that may have very smally contributed to the bad run.

But as my bad run is as bad as it is now,it is probably time I started keeping written track on a spreadsheet of how I am doing.And so any suggestions on how best to do that would be greatly appreciated.I also use poker tracker and Poker stove from time to time.Maybe its time I use poker tracker and poker stove more.

A trainwreck bad beat is: example AA vs KK

A legit bad beat:where the person giving the bad beat played it reasonably right or understandably based on the situation or information at hand

A fish beat:where a below average player AKA a fish misplays the hand and bad beats.

A donk beat:where somebody plays really bad,whether on purpose or not and bad beats.

A donk is someone who consistently plays bad whether or not on purpose or not.

A all in freak beat or goof off beat,is where a all in freak,or goof off knowingly or wuthout caring,goofs offs and goes all in all the time no matter what and they either shove all in and you call,or call your all in,and then suck out to give you a All in freak or goof off beat.

Not all bad beats are the same

I'm setting the lines at 20 pages, 27 levels and 11 random pictures in this thread....

Edit: if only I was competent on photoshop

I can't actually bring myself to read the whole OP, i'm cringing too much

now we're getting somewhere

This might be the problem right here.
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Let it go! Honestly!

How did I play this hand.I called with J8 because everyone else called giving me good pot odds to speculate on what I might hit postflop.I also hadnt played a hand in forever(ok ok not forever,just a long time)I won the hand,but one of my coaches would have killed me if he found out I limped this hand.I dont like to do it as well,but I feel I cant keep on never ending folding.

Heres the HH:

Hand#192857BCC2004199 - Freeroll into Millions $250k Satellite T5749954 -- Table 399 -- $0/$15/$30 NL Hold'em -- 2009/07/16 - 06:40:51
Seat 1: VicG***1 ($1,640 in chips)
Seat 3: cika***3 ($2,080 in chips)
Seat 4: eker***4 ($3,180 in chips)
Seat 5: cart***5 ($4,440 in chips)
Seat 6: $TIM***6 ($2,810 in chips)
Seat 7: Cash***7 ($1,470 in chips)
Seat 8: $ETH***8 ($1,430 in chips)
Seat 10: MikeDH1 ($2,960 in chips)
VicG***1: posts small blind 15
cell***2: posts big blind 30
Dealt to MikeDH1 [Js,8h]
cika***3: calls 30
eker***4: folds
cart***5: calls 30
$TIM***6: folds
Cash***7: folds
$ETH***8: calls 30
MikeDH1: calls 30
VicG***1: calls 15
cell***2: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s,Jc,9h]
VicG***1: checks
cell***2: checks
cika***3: checks
cart***5: checks
$ETH***8: checks
MikeDH1: bets 120
VicG***1: folds
cell***2: folds
cika***3: folds
cart***5: calls 120
$ETH***8: calls 120
*** TURN *** [7h]
cart***5: checks
$ETH***8: bets 30
MikeDH1: raises to 630
cart***5: folds
$ETH***8: folds
$ETH***8: mucks
MikeDH1: returns uncalled bet 600
***SHOW DOWN***
MikeDH1: shows [Js 8h]
MikeDH1: wins 600

So what do you think?should I have folded pre?I think its obvious why I overbet to protect my hand from the possible flush draw.I know thats a lot to bet on a weak top pair J crappy 8 kicker,but I figured that unless they were slowplaying I was probably ahead.

fold pre

and there is no way you have been folding for a long time when the blinds are at 15/30

So your saying that I keeping track mentally of how I was doing might have been causing me to be so concerned about getting goof off beat,that it might have affected my play in such a way as to maybe might make me not make plays I should have and missed some opportunities,that may have helped turn the bad run around.

If thats the case I will keep that in mind and try to be more aware of that possibility

I feel the only reason I keep track,is so that I know that its the donks,goof off all in freaks,and not me.Because if by keeping track,I discover thats its my play and not the all in freaks etc,thats causing the bad run,then if that were the case,I would need to change that bad play,and play better

The blind were about to go up to the next blinds levels and the blinds go up every 10 minutes,or so.thats like 23 hands.And during those hands I had only seen the flop about 17% of time,and I had folded about 7 to 10 times in a row.To me folding 7 to 17 hands in a row is folding a lot and a long time.

But your right I probably should have folded pre.I also had been extremely card dead in another tourney before this one,where I had only seen the flop about 7% of time.So that may have influenced me.

come on man...please get serious...you are joking right?

Mikeal_DH, if this is not a level (small chance, but still), then here's my story - I was "mentally keeping track" of bad beats while playing NL50, and so I kept thinking that I'm playing good but just running bad. However, when loaded into Holdem Manager, my HH's proved that I was actually running ABOVE expectation (while still losing money). That was a huge revelation for me, which led me to re-think my game.

So maybe you actually should get a PT or HM and look at your game more analytically.

Then this hand where I limped Q9 on the button,and where I later in the hand made my first and only semi bluff of the tourney so far at that time,and then I semi bluffed again when I hit my 9 to try to represent the made straight.

I know all in is a lot to semi bluff,but lots of players were donk calling with crap and paying me off.And so I wanted to protect myself from somebody else making the straight,while on the straight draw myself,and I wanted to take down the hand right there right then with a top pair of 9's,and if I was behind,I wanted to force the other player out by representing the straight.And if the other person had the straight,I could still make the straight.And if the other person was behind,they might still call me because of how everybody was call happy.I also didnt think based on my read of cika,didnt feel that they had the straight.


Hand#192857BCC2005495 - Freeroll into Millions $250k Satellite T5749954 -- Table 399 -- $0/$15/$30 NL Hold'em -- 2009/07/16 - 06:44:50
Seat 1: VicG***1 ($1,610 in chips) DEALER
Seat 2: cell***2 ($1,425 in chips)
Seat 3: cika***3 ($2,020 in chips)
Seat 4: eker***4 ($3,120 in chips)
Seat 5: cart***5 ($4,260 in chips)
Seat 6: $TIM***6 ($2,810 in chips)
Seat 7: Cash***7 ($1,470 in chips)
Seat 8: $ETH***8 ($1,385 in chips)
Seat 10: MikeDH1 ($3,380 in chips)
cika***3: posts small blind 15
eker***4: posts big blind 30
Dealt to MikeDH1 [9h,Qs]
cart***5: folds
$TIM***6: folds
Cash***7: folds
$ETH***8: calls 30
elkm***9: folds
MikeDH1: calls 30
VicG***1: calls 30
cell***2: calls 30
cika***3: calls 15
eker***4: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h,5h,7h]
cika***3: checks
eker***4: checks
$ETH***8: checks
MikeDH1: bets 180
VicG***1: folds
cell***2: folds
cika***3: calls 180
eker***4: folds
$ETH***8: folds
*** TURN *** [9c]
cika***3: checks
MikeDH1: is all in 3170.0000
cika***3: folds
MikeDH1: returns uncalled bet 3,170
***SHOW DOWN***
MikeDH1: shows [9h Qs]
MikeDH1: wins 540

All I keep track of is when they flip the cards over when all the money is in there, If I have the best hand then I made the right play. If I don't have the best hand then where did I make the mistake?

Card+mentally tracking bad beats is a bad combination fwiw.

Pure gold here.

So losing 140 buy ins,30 in a row, and 70 buy ins lost 2 times steadily over time,and losing $150 steadily over time playing the $1 sit n go's after making $15 go up to $80 2 times, playing the $1 sit n go's,is running above expection.

If thats running above expectation,I wonder,and shudder at what a bad run would be to you.

Maybe the fact that you kept limping with crap has something to do with the "downswing". Just a thought