not a scam or else they would have covered bogan when one of the 2p2'ers called asking if dean had donated the money he was holding

http://oyh.org.au/

I read through the important parts of their website, I recommend you do the same. It isn't a glorified sports facility. But you don't seem very bright, so stop posting unless you have something substantial to say.

I know its a real place... ive been to the website thank you. Bogan knows the people who run it tho so even if its 1% chance which it is you better make sure.

I know youll all hate me for saying the truth but Ill donate 1 hour coaching from ploufo that he owes me that he thinks hes off the hook for to any charity drive you guys end up doing. And ill even donate an hour of mine for being the ass with the sense of realis, but I think its a poor charity choice but wont say anymore on the matter.

Not sure where you're getting your facts MT, but they're all wrong.

- Orygen Youth Health isn't a scam. I live in the local area, and I happen to be a psychologist. OYH is a relatively well known and professionally run organisation within the industry.

- I spoke with Lisa for closer to half an hour, not 5 minutes. I asked many questions. If you have any, please ask rather than speculate.

- The 11.5k was going toward upgrading sport and entertainment facilities (being a young person in an inpatient clinic can be a very lonely and isolating experience, do not underestimate the impact of these donations), as well as extra funding for peer support workers. This has been outlined many times.

- We've done our homework, you haven't.

It's somewhat tilting that even though you didn't contribute to the original drive, all of a sudden you're the expert on what we should do with extra monies raised should we try to fix all this. Take it elsewhere.

Mental health is a very big issue, which is often not discussed between males (feel to manly to admit problems etc.). I think mental health for youths is a great idea. We must all remind ourselves that poker can escalate mental problems too so the idea of raising money for charity through poker should not be publicised too widely imo.

However, after this scam, donating the extra money to the charity Dean suggested isn't the best option imo. I'm sure other states in Australia have mental health organisations for youths too, not just Melbourne. They might need the money for more critical stuff rather then sports equipment to help the people in the centre from getting bored.

I'm happy to make some phone calls to some other mental health organisations in Australia tomorrow asking what they were to spend the money on if they were to get it.

I know I'm not really involved in this that much, but I did know Dean a little and am a fellow aussie, and am all for making sure that extra money raised goes to a place which has the greatest impact.

Aliquantum I can see where your coming from, about fixing what wrongs Dean done, but as movin said it could benifit Dean in some way if more money was donated to the charity he suggested.

Again, this thread is about a charity drive for OYH. If you want to raise money for a separate cause, take it up yourself.

So we're going to short change the organisation we pledged to because Dean is a scumbag?

Are you guys missing the part where I called the organisation and explained why they haven't seen the funds yet?

All these guys that had nothing to do with the original fundraiser giving their 2 cents about the legitimacy of the charity we're donating to need to leave it out, this is ridiculous.

I'm not dissing the legitimacy of the charity, i'm just saying if mttc were to raise another 5k then that's basically writing off the 5k Dean stole, it's most important that any extra funds get put to wherever has the most impact.

I understand you come from Melbourne and have put alot of time and effort into sorting this out and props to you man, I'm just suggesting that ask the likes of Jdawg and his mate that donated the most to the charity to what they'd like too if another fundraiser went down. And yes since i've put my 2c in I will donate towards the next fundraiser whatever charity it may be.

Got tonnes of respect for you ali what im saying is absolutely nothing personal towards you, or orygen or anyone else in this thread.

Thats all I have to contribute gl with what you guys decide on

its not tho.... make one. and im glad I didnt donate to the original charity but thank you for pointing that out low blow much. I dont need to be a follower and do what the cool kids are doing because bogan told us too .I get off my ass and donate to what I believe in myself without the risk of scam . I do think its an ok charity tho just dont like how its been force fed and thought a debate of where to send the money could be in order.

GL in your endeavors saving Africa.

tell us more target

It's not being force fed. The option to donate or not is yours. I'm only highlighting that if we raise money for a different cause or charity, then it really has nothing to do with this scam at all or trying to undo the damage caused.

And I didn't contribute originally because the cool kids did or cause Bogan said so - more unfounded speculation. I did so because of the line of work I'm in, and my passion and understanding of the cause the fundraiser was in aid of.

This is ridiculous. +1 to everything Aliquantum has said. In a nutshell, the whole point of this idea was to come good on a promise that was made and spectacularly broken to a charity which had already assigned the funds. Not on Dean's behalf but our own, because as a community we could really do with having something good come of this absolute f##king car crash of a situation. I actually have no idea what the point of donating to a different charity would be.

Cool man your clearly passinate about this so make a thread and run something.
But you seemed confused this thread is not about donating to this charity as you said 3 or 4 times, its about exposing bogans multiple scams. Alot of people who are posting their opinions are not interested in the charity and many more donated and are disgusted, and dont see a reason to donate more. If you made that thread I promise I won't have a healthy debate about changing charitys.

The money stolen was the money bogan won in his 24/h drink off himself, so if you really think about it the poker community did as promised, bogan didnt.

And Bogan was part of the poker community. We're all in this, as part of poker's image. You're missing my main point though, which is that the charity had already assigned those funds. If we try to re-raise this money - an activity it seems amazing to me that you could argue this much about - then it should be for the original charity or none at all.

new thread for the plan to re-raise the charity money (and associated annoying arguments) seems a great idea!

if your HU to you ever chop, its that kind of situation 2 charities benifiting from one thing could be a good thing, maybe even a 60/40 split between 2 different charities

Why? In relation to this thread, what's the point? The HU thing is a really daft analogy btw.

nice to see that you are still an idiot *facepalm*

Ok, I'm done. Did I just read that MT is suggesting I make another thread to raise 6.5k for the charity Dean scammed, while in here we start a fund raiser for a different charity? Listen to yourself...

He's taking this thread for something it is not imo this thread wasnt started for all bogan scams or whatever but was to find out what happened to the charity money/bogan. I do think LO is right and a different thread for a new charity run would be appropriate, even if its just to keep the tarding like MT is doing here out of it.

Wow. Basically +1 to everything Ali has said.

I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning the best use for additional raised funds but some of the reasoning stated is just mind boggling.

It's mind-blowing how creative some people get when finding ways to be a ****ing tool.

All of a sudden people ITT now think they're qualified to judge what the best charity is or how they should be using their donations? As far as I'm concerned, the logic behind raising the money again would simply be that we promised some people something that we didn't deliver, and it would damage the integrity of the poker community to simply respond with "well, sorry some guy stole from you, sorry it's not our problem". I don't think the nature of the charity really has much to do with it. If you don't want to donate, don't donate.