Person has a bad past. Person betters himself. Person gets into poker and staking. Person manages multiple stables simultaneously and has access to tens of thousands of dollars at any one point earning the trust of mttc and multiple big backers, also doing multiple charity events and escrowing money for different bets. Person makes a few decent friends along the way.

Person then scams, we've all been made to feel stupid, bad, quilty w/e. People lost lots of money and a few of us lost a mate.

Now people like you jump on your high horses pointing he finger and giving it the big what for with your "I told you so's?!" How about you do this thread a favour and stop posting dante, your not helping anyone.

I've known people who lie to look big, and I don't believe it indicates they are likely to steal. They are just deeply insecure and as a result, obsessed with being positively perceived by their peers.
Trying to link the two is wrong and results orientated.

I was pointing out a flaw in your logic. Not to rub it in, but to help any readers protect themselves from getting scammed in the future. I'd like to think we can learn from situations like this, but the number of similar threads I've read makes me pessimistic.

I love poker and I care about the 2p2 community so I hate it when **** like this happens. People like Dean give professional poker players a bad name.

You have $1000 to back one person and 2 people to choose from. Both have similar credentials, but one is a compulsive liar. Entrust your money to #2 FFS. How is this even a question?

Dante posting in this thread is hardly a/the problem.

Good posts Dantes!!

No you werent pointing out a flaw in my logic. You accused me off defending him when I clearly did not do that throughout this thread.

Why were you just holding this money for months without ever saying anything publicly that it hadn't been donated anyways? Not saying you're at fault for what's happened by any means. But when he posts that money will be donated and a receipt will be scanned and posted within a week and that doesn't happen, and you let months go by without mentioning it.......

Yeah... Hopefully the compulsive liar puts that he is a compulsive liar in the staking application

We were in regular contact until beginning of december I think, when he said he will take a break from poker through nye. After that I tried contacting him multiple times without any response, then got in contact with john/abe etc. Then John tried to sort out Bogan's mess (not only the 6k). We still had some hope that he would just come back at one point so we did not immediately go public.

Apparently everybody knew Dean was FOS talking about how rich he was, so I'd say he pretty much did that.

3-4 months is a reaaaaally long time to be holding money that doesn't belong to you. Oh, also money designated for a charity. Ie. staying quiet to cover up possible transgressions = defending him.

well maybe for people who read everything on here and know people who know etc thats true. But for lurkers like me, like I read some of his well etc and judging by how people responded to him and all there was no reason for me with the insight I got to doubt the stuff that was in that thread

idk what my point is just sayin that it's not that easy to tell someone is a compuslive liar before something like this blows up

in hindsight bogan does seem like a patehlogical liar. Needing staking, then 6 months later has a zillion dollars, zillion horses and students, claims hes the best coach rest of stables are making bad regs, bought a house for his daughter etc. I know some of the staking thing was true but I wonder how much. He also overly boasted his 180 ability he was always blocked but from when I staked him I dont think he made more then 20k at them untill that 180 comp.

That being said you cant blame people for trusting him you would have to blame everyone so get off the high horse.

Which is the reason anytime a thread like this comes up, a half a dozen idiots always pop up and say "No way he did this! He's such a nice guy!" I know it's hard to be objective when you've talked to some random person on the internet on Skype and he treats you like a reasonable human being. But imagine this, REALLY REALLY bad people, people with horrible low morals, STILL have friends and family and people who think they're "nice" or "a good guy". Why can no one on here ever be objective? Instead they snap-defend anyone they've ever met because that person didn't spit in your face when you met them.

jesus nobody is defending him shut the **** up already

Na I think he handled it fine you gotta remember bogan owes people money and currently staked people so it kinda needed to be handled with care , I doubt he owes rowniwn money but probably some of his friends

uhhhhhh, am I in the right thread?

Sure, as long as he contacted all of the donors and let them know, oh by the way, I know you donated this money to charity like 3 months ago. Just wanted to let you know it never got there. But don't worry, I'm just waiting for some people to get their s*** together. Is it safe to assume that happened?

this is unfair. Marc had no reason to suspect that anything untoward was going on, and was holding the money as a favour and awaiting Dean's instructions.

Dean's initial explanation for wanting to disappear from the poker scene for a while was "personal issues" which were quite specific but which don't need to be discussed here as it's since become apparent that it was probably untrue. But at the time, it seemed utterly reasonable. Dean had held huge sums of money for lots of people, and was passionate about this charity. Marc simply couldn't have reasonably expected any of this, and once we began to piece together what had actually happened we went public.

If I donated money to this and was told it was to hit the charity within a week and then found out 3 months later that my money was sitting in someone Pokerstars account and I was never notified, there would've been a special thread created for anyone associated with that money not getting there. People on 2p2 need to learn if you don't handle things abhorrently then you probably won't have to defend yourself in threads like these. Wake up already.

**** off Matt

this is that thread

This. I dont think either abe or rowniwn or LO did anything wrong here, some people seem to pop in here once everything is pretty much clear but these situations really arnt this clear cut from the start. No need to jump on any wagon except for the bogan one at this moment and alot of these posts seem really alot like simple thinking/hind sight 20/20. If you've been there you probably know.

People with extra info/scams/excuses should just post them.

I dont think you can expect someone as turdy as dean to bother paying back once hes already been exposed.

I do not agree at all with the whole idea of keeping it under wraps just in case you get your money back. I imagine many people in the industry have been scammed off the back of scammers not being fully exposed and then ostracized.

Just put as much out there as possible, or theres a chance it continues to happen.

Having found out he has a kid is just a horrific facepalm moment. Getting such a terrible start in life, like having Dean as a dad is awful.