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Old 02-09-2017, 08:34 PM   #351
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I've snipped this post because there's a lot to address and it will be the weekend before I have the time but I will state that race affects an ability to acquire wealth.



If I can demonstrate that housing health and education outcomes are different for people of colour and white people even when accounting for income would you concede that wealth isn't always the most important factor. For the record I am confident that I can demonstrate this but it's going to take some time and before I spend it I'd like to know that the goal posts aren't likely to change.
By all means im open to changing my position on things. When I first heard of the BLM movement I was quite supportive and I still sympathize with them. I also was quite open to the idea of white privilege at first. Its quite a complex and nuanced subject though and ill hear one set of facts bandied about by one side supporting one thing then the other group will produce a set of facts that will claim another. And not just in terms of privilege but things like crime ect. I do believe if you are black you are more likely to be born less privileged but I suppose that seems pretty obvious.


What I probably wont change my views is that I dont think the militant attitude and tactics of certain BLM members or their lack of nuance will help black people. I do think it will help Donald Trump though and the alt right though.
Alot of their members seem outwardly racist but that ok because their black.
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By all means im open to changing my position on things. When I first heard of the BLM movement I was quite supportive and I still sympathize with them. I also was quite open to the idea of white privilege at first. Its quite a complex and nuanced subject though and ill hear one set of facts bandied about by one side supporting one thing then the other group will produce a set of facts that will claim another. And not just in terms of privilege but things like crime ect. I do believe if you are black you are more likely to be born less privileged but I suppose that seems pretty obvious.


What I probably wont change my views is that I dont think the militant attitude and tactics of certain BLM members or their lack of nuance will help black people. I do think it will help Donald Trump though and the alt right though.
Alot of their members seem outwardly racist but that ok because their black.
You've gotten to know all the BLM people around the nation and the world?
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:42 PM   #353
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You've gotten to know all the BLM people around the nation and the world?
Maybe you should remember this next time you elide Milo, Richard Spencer, Nazis, Trump, Trump supporters and someone like me all together as if there are zero differences.

People on the left are THE WORST for making the move you are accusing the excellent poster superslug of making.
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Old 02-10-2017, 12:54 PM   #354
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Alot of their members seem outwardly racist but that ok because their black.
I don't think anyone says it's "okay" for black people to be racist. It is certainly understandable given the history of the nation and I'd be shocked if there were not a lot of racist black people and if some of them didn't join BLM.

Even if I viewed racist black people as a major problem in society, the obvious first step in convincing black people not to be racist is to eliminate any remnants of racial advantage in society.
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Black Lives Matter has a site I'd be interested in whether the critics of BLM could point to anything particularly awful on it.
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Maybe you should remember this next time you elide Milo, Richard Spencer, Nazis, Trump, Trump supporters and someone like me all together as if there are zero differences.

People on the left are THE WORST for making the move you are accusing the excellent poster superslug of making.
This is exactly what you do with your vague definition of SJWs.

I have no idea what your ideology is, except that you apparently supported the ban on Muslim travel that Trump instituted. That puts you squarely on the right.
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Old 02-10-2017, 01:01 PM   #357
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Maybe you should remember this next time you elide Milo, Richard Spencer, Nazis, Trump, Trump supporters and someone like me all together as if there are zero differences.

People on the left are THE WORST for making the move you are accusing the excellent poster superslug of making.
You mean the partisan team known cutely as 'The alt-write and the 45's republicans' ? The team who demonstrates and displays fascism, bigotry, and instability- as a team?

I'll treat that group individually as I do BLM as a group. You do realize they aren't categorically close as groups, eh?

One is the POTUS with partisan affiliations, related surrogates, fronts, etc. and the other is a grassroots organization to help the police reform and move social justice.
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... I haven't shouted ANYone down, but there are literally countless examples of SJWs trying to do that to me.
Yep. I've been trying hard. I've labelled you a r-word-er. I've given you notice that you have been 'shouted down'. I tried to have you banned. I've "Shouted and Screamed". I've informed you that I am 'triggered. I even went all Triggypop on your sorry ass. I've used up every play in my SJWer trix box. But still you are still here. What foul OSJer magic is this !!!1!

It's almost as if it's impossible to 'shout down' on an anonymous interwebs forum... and any fool saying it is possible is spewing gibberish.

Now... STFU & GTFU -or- prove me correct.
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Old 02-10-2017, 02:05 PM   #359
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This is exactly what you do with your vague definition of SJWs.

I have no idea what your ideology is, except that you apparently supported the ban on Muslim travel that Trump instituted. That puts you squarely on the right.
I did not support the Muslim travel ban.
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... it's impossible to 'shout down' on an anonymous interwebs forum... and any fool saying it is possible is spewing gibberish.

Now... STFU & GTFU -or- prove me correct.
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Bingo.
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I didn't support it. Posts are there in POG.
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I did not support the Muslim travel ban.
Fair enough.

The point is that you haven't said much about ideology at all, except to complain about "SJW"s. That's something that the alt-right and Milo tend to do--hence the comparisons.
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... There is no conspiracy, you idiot. This isn't something we are making up.
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SJWs by your own description are basically sanctimonious liberals

Fascism describes authoritarian political movements built around an imagined return to a glorious past or future where cis white men are relegated to a lesser role possibly to be accomplished by removing cis white men from society, often by genocidal killing...
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LMFAO. Here we have turtletom explaining to us that these shadowy SJWers are running a false flag operation... pretending to be about justice and sociability, while secretly plotting a genocide.

Naw, that's not a conspiracy theory at all
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The most amazing honey pot ever was "opposition to social justice". Such evil SJWs openly doing it.
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Yet again, this is nearly all false.
You can go to 4chan, 7chan, reddit, stormfront. You will see the places that have the highest correlation with Milo/Spencer/alt right fandom are like 99% white males. Wonder why?

"SJW" are not running any University. If you think most any University head or Dean is a "SJW," I question you having ever lived or been on campus.

The head of the biggest source of alt right views is on the NSC. The joint chief is not. He is writing executive orders the President of the United States doesn't even read before signing. Steve Bannon might be the most powerful man in the world, yet you think "SJW" have equal power to him. This is just incredibly wrong.
I dont know weather or not any actual Dean is an SJW or not but it is obvious to anyone who is paying attention or are not deluded that they have a massive amount of power in University's at the moment. To have power in university's that will supply a great deal of the future workforce everywhere including the highest positions in your government is a lot of power to have.

Are you saying that Bannon is part of the alt right can you clear that up for me? My post was talking about the alt right and SJWs not mainstream conservatives.

Trumps picks for his cabinet have been really worrying that is for sure I have plenty of criticism for them as well. But what I find so scary about some of the SJW zelots is how virtuous they think they are and how anyone who opposes them must be a racist sexist scumbag.
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... SJW... have a massive amount of power in University's at the moment...
That didn't take long. Just a few posts ago we came to the agreement that this SJW thingee wasn't a movement, that there is no conspiracy. Here... like a rubber band... you're snapping right back into this conspiracy theory.

WTF BBQ ??

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... Bannon is part of the alt right can you clear that up for me?...
S.Bannon used to run Breitbart News. Breitbart News self identifies as the premier source for the Alt-Right. In no way is S.Bannon a mainstream conservative.

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... Trumps picks for his cabinet have been really worrying... But what I find so scary about some of the SJW zelots is how virtuous they think they are...
So, you're a little bit worried about people with actual massive IRL power, but what you're really scared of is a powerless and tiny subset of these alleged SJWers college kids (only the zealots)... all because they have a 'tude that rubs you the wrong way. LMFAO @ OSJers !!!1!
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That didn't take long. Just a few posts ago we came to the agreement that this SJW thingee wasn't a movement, that there is no conspiracy. Here... like a rubber band... you're snapping right back into this conspiracy theory.

WTF BBQ ??
NOOOOOOO. FFS lol read my ****ing post I didnt say it wasnt a movement , I put it in other terms so you could wrap your head around what I was trying to say. I did it to move the conversation on as you were getting bogged down in silly semantics and technicalities and we were clogging up the thread with sheer nonsense.

I said at the end of the day it doesn't matter if its a movement or not at the VERY LEAST its a worrying trend.

Also that says moment not movement.

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S.Bannon used to run Breitbart News. Breitbart News self identifies as the premier source for the Alt-Right. In no way is S.Bannon a mainstream conservative.


So, you're a little bit worried about people with actual massive IRL power, but what you're really scared of is a powerless and tiny subset of these alleged SJWers college kids (only the zealots)... all because they have a 'tude that rubs you the wrong way. LMFAO @ OSJers !!!1!
Just because he worked for Brietbart doesn't mean he is alt right. The leader of the alt right is a race separatist and white supremacist. Bannon is undoubtedly a **** but is neither of those things. I am actually massively worried about Trump denying climate science amongst other things.

I guess I dont like either side. But SJWs are kind of interesting as they are so ludicrous but see themselves as very virtuous people and if you dont agree with them you must be a neo nazi or something.

They are a fascinating sub culture. I do wonder what would happen if one of them ever became president. Scary to imagine.

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You've gotten to know all the BLM people around the nation and the world?
This is too dumb to properly respond too.
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NOOOOOOO. FFS lol read my ****ing post I didnt say it wasnt a movement , I put it in other terms so you could wrap your head around what I was trying to say...
It's not the terms you use. Get over dwelling on terms. It's this idea that even those these shadowy SJWers might not hold any positions of power (deanships, etc) they actually have enormous power. That's positing a conspiracy. Unless there is some explanation of who is conspiring, why, and what this enormous power is... it's a conspiracy theory.

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... Just because he worked for Brietbart doesn't mean he is alt right...
He didn't just work for Breitbart News, he ran that joint. Right out of the basement of his DC mansion. He, himself, called Breitbart News, then under his personal leadership, the "platform for the alt-right"...

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... Before his political career, Bannon served as executive chair of Breitbart News, a far-right news, opinion, and commentary website which Bannon described in 2016 as "the platform for the alt-right"...
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Here's a coupla more annoying things about OSJers.

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What if "as they see fit" is the police shut down the event in order to prevent the threat of violence from hostile protesters who won't move from an LGBT rights meeting?...
We hear this a lot from our OSJers. The police shut down shiz when they can't keep the peace. It doesn't matter what that shiz is. It doesn't matter what views that shiz may or may not be expressing. That's what they do, if they are doing their job right.

If the police didn't feel they can keep the peace at a LGBT rights meeting, and they shut it down. Well, in that "what if"... the police would be doing their job right.

So that's the answer OBJers. Got it?

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... What if anti-abortion activists showed up at feminist events and shouted them down? You think that's a proper use of free expression? I don't...
Well thanks for sharing OSJers, I guess. So what? Is there anything you think should be done about this shiz? Or... was it all a matter of that you just wanted to share your feelings. That's nice if it was.

Do you OSJers feel better now that you've vented?
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This is too dumb to properly respond too.
That reads like an admission the writer hasn't really carefully investigated BLM.
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Slug, you spent multiple posts arguing that Bannon didn't belong to the alt right when Bannon himself called the website he ran, the platform for the alt right. Why don't the anti sjw crowd ever do like a minute worth of background research before making so, so many stupid posts? Can you guys disseminate any information not from white nationalist YouTube videos?

Bannon is the biggest influence of alt right views. Do your research on this. Do your research on BLM. Become moderately informed before posting more, please.
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Here's a coupla more annoying things about OSJers... Well thanks for sharing OSJers, I guess. So what? Is there anything you think should be done about this shiz? Or... was it all a matter of that you just wanted to share your feelings. That's nice if it was.

Do you OSJers feel better now that you've vented?
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... Aholes on all sides do it, and it's deplorable. And I think it's wrong... Just because... doesn't make it right.,,
Here's another example of an OSJer mindlessly venting. He *feels* something is deplorable and wrong. But what do we hear about what should be done about this shiz? Only the sound of crickets.

The really annoying part is we keep hearing this venting. Over and over and over and over again. Why... well, who can know with these fools.
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So, what to make of this whole OSJer (and by extension SJWer) phenomenon? Here's a few takeaways...
  1. It ain't new. This is the same tired old 'Run Amok PC Police' routine, which was think-tanked up c1990, and has been pushed as propaganda ever since. It's particular to the interwebs era, but was around long before the rise the social media brands. The only difference is the "PC Police" are being rebranded as SJWers, illiberal liberals, regressive far left, etc, etc.

  2. The OSJers are the peeps shutting down conversations. Anytime the conversation has segued into a discussion regarding the PC Police, the OSJer has already accomplished their (perhaps unconscious) goal. He's already shut down the prior conversation by changing the subject, by this willful PC Police derailment. That is exactly what this whole OSJer routine was designed to do. This is called 'Tone Policing'.

  3. OSJ-ism doesn't make any sense because it's propaganda. The OSJer routine starts as a willful derailment to shut down a conversation. This is typically of the form "ZOMG here is an anecdotal story about the Run Amok PC Police ZOMG". But what happens 100% when the OSJers are asked what should be done about this ZOMG-ZOMG crisis? Well, 100% we get absolutely no engagement or answer at all from the OSJers. Why?

    The reason is that these OSJers aren't interested in having any policy discussion at all. That's not what they do. They are (perhaps unconsciously) interested in shutting down conversations by derailing them, as described above. They are also very interested in shaming what they call 'the left' in general. This quote sums up this up nicely...

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    ... You need to admit to the ugly authoritarianism of the left...
    That's as far as it goes, as far as the OSJers are concerned: shutting down conversations by derailing, and 'proving' the "ugly authoritarianism of the left" by purely anecdotal means. That's it. They don't have policy debates, because they ain't got any stinkin policy... they just want to shut things down, and carry on about the ugliness of what they call 'the left'.

  4. OSJers love fallacies and poor reasoning. Let's see... the OSJers are the real libruls. The PC Police are the real r-word-ers, The OSJers share the goals of the PC Police. The OSJers say they're just offering good advice... which is bad advice they patronizingly just made up. Then we got the Big Lie: the OSJers are interested in productive debate and wrap themselves in the mantel of 'free speech'. Of course, they avoid all debate like the plague, and what they call 'free speech' is incoherent gibberish. The whole OSJer routine is highly conspiritardical, mainly being a mashup of the previously debunked Cultural Marxism, and the Myth of the Liberal Media, conspiracy theories. And of course... every bad thing in history, from 1930s euro fascism to D.Trump getting elected, gets loltstically blamed on the PC Police.

    The most annoying thing is this willful (but perhaps not conscious) trolling by going up, then sophistically skipping down, a meta-level. They derail the prior conversation by going up a meta-level, to anecdotally complain about the Run Amok PC Police. But, when challenged on their anecdotal story, or asked what should be done about this shiz, they'll universally pull the sophism of skipping down a meta level. They'll accuse their questioner of 'condoning' whatever the alleged ZOMG details are of their ancedotal story.
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yeah that's good that.
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