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Old 02-07-2017, 04:55 PM   #301
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Anonymous recent video was calling out SJWs. redandblack flaggers were tagged. LOL sharkatejumper. All SJWs turn in yo masks. The angry bike dude segment at the end was freaky.

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Here are some anti-SJWs (I guess. Terminology is still confusing.) using the heckler's veto to oppose someone's free speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr0...ature=youtu.be
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Well, we can put some numbers on things, regardless. Let's imagine a few thousands, say 10k. That would mean an average of ~4 per campus given ~2500 US colleges. If there were 25 campuses with a critical mass of 100 SJWers each... there would still mean that over 99% of US colleges would have on average ~3 SJWers.

Besides, 100 SJWers on a campus like SDSU, with 33k enrollment, is 0.3% of the student body. The Pilates Club is proly 10x bigger and more influential than these alleged SJWers. The whole theory is just simply conspiratrdical.
I just showed you 3 separate campuses with hundreds of them demonstrating in each one. So im not sure where you are pulling these figures from. I gaurentee you there are more than 3 SJWs on each campus.

But the numbers are irrelevant tbh. If there was an average of 1 it wouldnt matter. Their influence is that big that there are able to segregate people by race on more than one campus. And when the pilates club start doing that ill start worrying about them too.

Its their infuence not their number that is worrying. Although I believe they have both.

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Yeah we get that you hear about things that annoy you. I hear about things that annoy me too. But here's the thing. You weren't there, now were you? This is just something you got in your feed, or twittergrammed, or whatev. So some students were having a protest about something, and find that annoying... so what. Students got a right to protest. It's good clean fun, as long as nobody gets shot in the gut, etc. Why not just let it be?

What's not well adjusted is imagining that there is a conspiracy to annoy you.
What kind of argument is that? oh you werent there so your opinion is irrelevant. Does that exempt us from critisizing US troops that shoot civilians in foreign countries? Using your logic it does.

I find it more worrying than annoying. They have every right to protest just as I have every right to critisize that protest especially if those protests result in people losing their jobs for no good reason and also race segregation.

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I got the numbers from Wikipedia. Viacom is the 6th largest media company by revenue. CNN is owned by Time Warner, which is the 3rd largest media by revenue. BuzzFeed had $167M revenue in 2015 and directly employed 770 in 2014.

The WSJer Theory seems to require that these large corporations, two of which are publicly traded, and which comprise a significant segment of the MSM... have been infiltrated and turned by this cadre of SJWers, and the owners and execs have been powerless to stop them. In a world... conspiritardical.



OK. We already got that you believe indoctoring is going on.

Who's doing it? Is it a buncha rogue professors? Are the university admins in on it? How about the university boards of trustees/regents/visitors/whatev... are they in on it too? Is this indoctering done out in the open? In class? Or is it done on the sly outside of the course work? What the flip are they actually being indoctored to do (besides annoy you)?

Common dude, don't hold back, inquiring minds wanna know...

Again its notthe numbers that worry me its their influence. I dont give a **** about buzz feeds revenue I care about the nonsense they are spewing that is being seen by hundreds of thousands of people.

I believe it is being done by professors yes. I mean where else are they getting these bizarre notions that they need safe spaces at all? Let alone ones segregated by color . Again ill will keep provide you with examples and you can keep ramming your head back in the sand.

" What the flip are they actually being indoctrinated to do " Have you been paying attention at all? They are being indoctrinated to think its acceptable to segregate people by the color of their skin.

I mean I know I keep repeating myself but I have repeated my argument and you keep asking me what they are doing.

Im happy to have a back and forth but if I get the impression that you arent listening I have better things to do with my time and I hope you do as well.
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@Shame Trolley. Ask yourself what your reaction would be if white conservative students wanted to segregate by race? Would you be so relaxed about it?
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What does an Orwellian sleep chant sound like?
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Here are some anti-SJWs (I guess. Terminology is still confusing.) using the heckler's veto to oppose someone's free speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVr0...ature=youtu.be
Yep, turrible. You should make sure not to act like those aholes, and condemn anyone who does, imo.
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... Its their infuence not their number that is worrying. Although I believe they have both...
This is a problem with most conspiracies. To actually have significant influence, the shadowy others would need to have significant numbers. But... when we get to significant numbers... it becomes less and less likely they can all keep the secrets.

Of course, IRL movements don't seem to have these problems. I'm sure a little googling around could find us a good estimate of how many activists, or donors, or dues paying members are involved with the movement to end child trafficking. In fact, IRL movements practice outreach, and don't keep their institutions and information as secrets.

So how many SJWers do you think there are at US colleges. You guessed the over at 10k. How about 100k, 1M, 10M, 100M? Can we get some idea of an order of magnitude at all ??

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... They have every right to protest just as I have every right to critisize that protest...
Sure. But they have every right to protest. I find marathons annoying. They block off all the roads, and one year those damn runners filled my front yard with empty paper cups. I got every right to criticize marathon runners.

But I don't imagine that there's a buncha scallywag LMRs (littering marathon runners), who form a LMR Movement, undermining baseball & apple pie. See the difference?

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... I dont give a **** about buzz feeds revenue I care about the nonsense they are spewing... I believe it is being done by professors yes. I mean where else are they getting these bizarre notions...
What you are saying is that F500 companies, and major universities, and their employees, executives, board members, and owners, have been infiltrated and turned by, or are all a part of, this whole SJWer Theory. Which is again, in a word: conspiritardical.

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..." What the flip are they actually being indoctrinated to do " Have you been paying attention at all? They are being indoctrinated to think its acceptable to segregate people by the color of their skin....
OK. TYVM. And no, you never mention this before... but I'm glad you now have. In a nutshell: The SJWer Theory posits that the goal of the SJWers is to segregate people by the color of their skin. They have an enormously powerful movement, which has infiltrated the highest levels of our F500 companies, and our major universities. This SJWer movement is false flag, as it only pretends to advocate for social justice.

Do I have this correct ??

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Old 02-07-2017, 07:17 PM   #308
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I will adress all this in a bit im in the middle of something just now. . The marathon runners analogy is just stupid though cant work out if your trolling or not.

Just quickly though what is your opinion on people of color only safe spaces? Do you think this is a healthy practice?
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... The marathon runners analogy is just stupid though cant work out if your trolling or not...
I don't know why it's a bad analogy. It's something that people do, it's disruptive to my life, and I wish they'd cut it out. But I don't imagine there's a conspiracy behind it. Seems apt to me.

Back in the day, you could still drink on the boardwalk 24/365. Imagine our surprise and indignation, one fine Sunday morning, to have our sunrise beer disturbed by these obnoxious running fools. Then to face the indignity to be run off your own seawall and have to ask permissions to cross back over to your own damn house. That one year when they filled the front deck with trash, I went out, ran down, and grabbed one of those litterbugs fools, made him come back and pick up his own damn paper cup, and then take it with him. He started crying like a baby about his "splits", or whatev. F*** him. One year, one of these triathlon bike riding fools snagged the gf's blanket crossing the boardwalk and face planted quite spectacularly. He was ~6'10, ~250lbs, super buff. He got up, seeing and dripping red, and was just about to get into the 5'1", 95lb lady's face... suddenly realized she lived there, and so did everyone else standing around... and got back on his bike and sprinted away. That was proly his best ever "split". F*** him too.

They don't do marathons down our hood anymore.
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This is a problem with most conspiracies. To actually have significant influence, the shadowy others would need to have significant numbers. But... when we get to significant numbers... it becomes less and less likely they can all keep the secrets.


So how many SJWers do you think there are at US colleges. You guessed the over at 10k. How about 100k, 1M, 10M, 100M? Can we get some idea of an order of magnitude at all ??

Im sure there are some university's with hundreds such as the ones that were shown in the videos I posted. It is irrelevant how many there are. There is enough of them to introduce safe spaces for coloured students only. That is enough of an influence for me to be worried about. It would matter if there was just a single one if they had enough to power and influence to introduce some of their backwards ideas that is worry enough.

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Sure. But they have every right to protest. I find marathons annoying. They block off all the roads, and one year those damn runners filled my front yard with empty paper cups. I got every right to criticize marathon runners.

But I don't imagine that there's a buncha scallywag LMRs (littering marathon runners), who form a LMR Movement, undermining baseball & apple pie. See the difference?
Thats what your not really getting and is what makes me think your trolling. I mean it really is one of the worst analogys iv ever heard.The fact that they are segregating students in some areas , getting people fired from there jobs and silencing speakers whose opinions you dont like is not annoying , its worrying and possibly dangerous.


By trying to treat people based on the color of their skin ,marginalising people and telling people their opinions are worth less than others your giving power to groups like the alt right ect. You willl damage race relations and not improve things.

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What you are saying is that F500 companies, and major universities, and their employees, executives, board members, and owners, have been infiltrated and turned by, or are all a part of, this whole SJWer Theory. Which is again, in a word: conspiritardical.


OK. TYVM. And no, you never mention this before... but I'm glad you now have. In a nutshell: The SJWer Theory posits that the goal of the SJWers is to segregate people by the color of their skin. They have an enormously powerful movement, which has infiltrated the highest levels of our F500 companies, and our major universities. This SJWer movement is false flag, as it only pretends to advocate for social justice.

Do I have this correct ??
Again I wouldnt say infiltrated is the best word for it. They are in plain sight introduce backwards polices and saying backwards things and doing so in the name of social progress. Except it isnt social progress. To judge , exclude and silence people based on their race is going backwards.

The segregation think is just one of their backwards polices. And i mean its obviously not like aparteid Africa or anything but having spaces that exclude certain races is not healthy for a society.

People have lost their jobs for saying the wrong things having the wrong opinion , its very Orwellian.

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SOAS is the school of African and Asian studies so I'm interested in why you think students are wrong to request that philosophy at the school includes African and Asian philosophers at the expense of philosophers in the Anglo-American or continental traditions.
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I believe that if you are born white then you are more likely to be privileged so its not like I dont think that race is a factor.

Its the way that alot of these SJWs use privilege as a absolute. If your born white your privileged , if your born black your not. If they used it with more nuance I would have less of a problem with them using it.
You are missing the point.

White privilege does not equate to being privileged outside of the context of race. Any informed social justice warrior will contend that black men have male privilege, black straight men will have straight privilege etc etc.

What this thesis contends is that in circumstances where two people are similarly positioned with regard to class/gender/sexual and gender identity that a person of colour is disadvantaged in relation to a white person due to the fact that people of colour are subject to racism that white people aren't. This may manifest in a number of different ways but not to the extent that all white people are privileged in toto.
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You are missing the point.

White privilege does not equate to being privileged outside of the context of race. Any informed social justice warrior will contend that black men have male privilege, black straight men will have straight privilege etc etc.

What this thesis contends is that in circumstances where two people are similarly positioned with regard to class/gender/sexual and gender identity that a person of colour is disadvantaged in relation to a white person due to the fact that people of colour are subject to racism that white people aren't. This may manifest in a number of different ways but not to the extent that all white people are privileged in toto.
How do you explain Asian privilege, then? In relation to whites, I mean.
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I already explained it to you; your Asian privilege (over other minorities) is that Asians are seen as docile, non-threatening and nerdy which makes them the "good foreigners" to white racists.

Think about the stereotypes surrounding Asians in the US. It's not pretty, it's racism, but it's way less hostile than racism against e.g. blacks, mexicans or Muslims - because whites aren't afraid of you.

Your privilege is that you're facing less "hard" racism than other minorities in the US. So you don't have "Asian privilege" over whites, but you do over blacks and browns, largely.

By virtue of being Asian you're in a better position than the same person as you, only black with an Arabic sounding name would have been.
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Europa, I have you on ignore. Do not bother engaging me ever again. I will not deal with people like you.

I've said it before but consider this the last exchange we will ever have.
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Well, just trying to help a confused brother, I thought you had a genuine question, there - no hard feelings
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... There is enough of them to introduce safe spaces for coloured students only... By trying to treat people based on the color of their skin... To... exclude... people based on their race is going backwards... The segregation think is just one of their backwards polices. And i mean its obviously not like aparteid Africa or anything but having spaces that exclude certain races is not healthy for a society...
OK, lets address your SJWer related fears. First the above. To clarify, I'm talking about chill-out rooms. I gotta coupla Qs for you. Are you against chill-out rooms in general? Or are there some kinds of chill-out rooms you are OK with? When you're talking about segregation, are you referring exclusively to these chill-put rooms, or is there other issues beyond these chill-out rooms which you consider segregation?

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Now here's the part youz guyz never seem to get. We're trying to squeeze out some rules of thumb to separate the SJWers from the non-SJWers. Youz guyz wanna skip over that part completely, and dissemble and testify about the dastardly deeds these SJWers do. The result is gibberish like this.

Dude, everyone wants to get people fired from time to time. By far the largest group of people who go around firing people for their opinions are bosses. Most employees are 'at will' in the US, and can be fired for any reason, or no reason. Religious organizations can and do fire employees for their opinions too. Sports fans are always trying to get coaches and execs fired, or players released, or new players signed (which necessarily causes another player to be released). Get bad service from a clerk or server, lots of people will complain to the manager and explicitly or implicitly try to get the rude employee fired. J.Fogel & J.Paterno had plenty of people trying to get them fired for their alleged connections to pedophlia. There used to have a JBox next to my local. They took it out and put in a Starbuxs. I wish they'd put the JBox back. I just wished everyone who works at the Starbux gets fired.

I'd WAG 99%+ people of qualify as SJWers under this criteria. This is gibberish.

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IDK what you mean here. But perhaps to cut to the chase... if you're referring to this 'deplatforming' crap, that's a buncha gibberish too.

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... It is irrelevant how many there are. There is enough of them... It would matter if there was just a single one if they had enough to power and influence... They are in plain sight... doing so in the name of social progress. Except it isnt social progress...
Then we got this. This is just flat out conspiritardical.

IRL it's not a secret what relative support movements have. If you claim significant IRL effects you need significant IRL support. Or else we got the illuminati. How do they operate with impunity in plain sight? Unless they are the illuminati. And imagineering that it's all a false flag operation is the cherry on top of the Sundae.
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SOAS is the school of African and Asian studies so I'm interested in why you think students are wrong to request that philosophy at the school includes African and Asian philosophers at the expense of philosophers in the Anglo-American or continental traditions.
Yes, that one puzzled me a bit as well. SOAS only teaches one philosophy course, the BA in 'world philosophies', which probably shouldn't be too Eurocentric.
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Well, just trying to help a confused brother, I thought you had a genuine question, there - no hard feelings
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I already addressed this. I thought the SOAS was the student union when I read the article , someone pointed out that it was the University and I already acknowledged my mistake.
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You are missing the point.

White privilege does not equate to being privileged outside of the context of race. Any informed social justice warrior will contend that black men have male privilege, black straight men will have straight privilege etc etc.

What this thesis contends is that in circumstances where two people are similarly positioned with regard to class/gender/sexual and gender identity that a person of colour is disadvantaged in relation to a white person due to the fact that people of colour are subject to racism that white people aren't. This may manifest in a number of different ways but not to the extent that all white people are privileged in toto.
No im not , I already said that if it was used in the manner you described with nuance instead of absolutes I would be ok with that. But it is used in an irresponsible divisive manner that isnt healthy. Its also contributed to a rise on racism from both sides imo.

The result is that that you get segregated safe spaces , white people and white media in BLM marches being told to get to the back of the march, black students demanding to not share rooms with white students, politicians who are meant to represent the working class telling audiences it is their job to shut white people up and increased resentment from both sides.

It is a thesis that is leading to unhealthy practices and attitudes. Was watching a video of a student protest where students supporting Trump were abused and called white supremacists another white student who was on the side of the protectors told the crowd to go easy on them. A black student then tells her to shut up because she it white.

The examples of this cancerous attitude are numerous.

Iv linked the story of the BLM march where white people are told to go to the back. http://www.bet.com/news/national/201...te-people.html

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OK, lets address your SJWer related fears. First the above. To clarify, I'm talking about chill-out rooms. I gotta coupla Qs for you. Are you against chill-out rooms in general? Or are there some kinds of chill-out rooms you are OK with? When you're talking about segregation, are you referring exclusively to these chill-put rooms, or is there other issues beyond these chill-out rooms which youconsider segregation?



Now here's the part youz guyz never seem to get. We're trying to squeeze out some rules of thumb to separate the SJWers from the non-SJWers. Youz guyz wanna skip over that part completely, and dissemble and testify about the dastardly deeds these SJWers do. The result is gibberish like this.

Dude, everyone wants to get people fired from time to time. By far the largest group of people who go around firing people for their opinions are bosses. Most employees are 'at will' in the US, and can be fired for any reason, or no reason. Religious organizations can and do fire employees for their opinions too. Sports fans are always trying to get coaches and execs fired, or players released, or new players signed (which necessarily causes another player to be released). Get bad service from a clerk or server, lots of people will complain to the manager and explicitly or implicitly try to get the rude employee fired. J.Fogel & J.Paterno had plenty of people trying to get them fired for their alleged connections to pedophlia. There used to have a JBox next to my local. They took it out and put in a Starbuxs. I wish they'd put the JBox back. I just wished everyone who works at the Starbux gets fired.

I'd WAG 99%+ people of qualify as SJWers under this criteria. This is gibberish.



IDK what you mean here. But perhaps to cut to the chase... if you're referring to this 'deplatforming' crap, that's a buncha gibberish too.



Then we got this. This is just flat out conspiritardical.

IRL it's not a secret what relative support movements have. If you claim significant IRL effects you need significant IRL support. Or else we got the illuminati. How do they operate with impunity in plain sight? Unless they are the illuminati. And imagineering that it's all a false flag operation is the cherry on top of the Sundae.
Marathons, chill out rooms , bosses sacking people?

Dude your trolling is too much im out.
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I'm not trolling. Of course you're out.

Dude, there is no SJWer Movement. You can't even start to explain even the simplest of things about this loltastically obvious conspiracy theory. None of your spew is falsifiable. You've been punked by the MSM. Sorry about that.
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I'm not trolling. Of course you're out.

Dude, there is no SJWer Movement. You can't even start to explain even the simplest of things about this loltastically obvious conspiracy theory. None of your spew is falsifiable. You've been punked by the MSM. Sorry about that.
That marathon analogy ...... no one uses analogies that bad unless their trolling.

"Chill out" rooms I have nothing against , segregated "chill out" rooms I do however have an issue with that and if you dont then you have been indoctrinated as well.

OK bosses sack people all the time for a variety of reasons but there is a worrying trend of people being sacked for expressing their views or not being PC enough. People will always get sacked doesnt mean we have to ignore a worrying trend or brush it under the carpet.
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No im not , I already said that if it was used in the manner you described with nuance instead of absolutes I would be ok with that. But it is used in an irresponsible divisive manner that isnt healthy. Its also contributed to a rise on racism from both sides imo.
This is not my experience of people discussing the concept of white privilege. Personally I have seen numerous attempts to explain the concept, how it is possible for a white person to be both disadvantaged economically and recipients of white privilege with those that oppose them attempting to reduce the arguments to white privilege being somehow equivalent to economic success then denouncing the concept because not all white people are economically successful.

Now clearly there are bad arguments made by supporters of both sides in many discussions but you seem only to be focused on the worst of the arguments of those you disagree with and I think you do better to tackle the best.

Ftr I didn't watch the video I did read the article and I don't know the reasons for the decision so won't take a strong view on the rightness of it. What I will say is from the comfort of my armchair the organisers shouldn't really give a **** what I think especially given that I'm not familiar enough with the reasons to evaluate them.
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