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Old 02-08-2017, 03:29 PM   #326
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I hear it's actually a great time to join with some social justice because the present circumstances have been estimated to have a great amount of opportunity with the times for individuals to act with social justice.


Even the POTUS today gave huge amounts of free publicity to social justice economic action, I heard.
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Its also contributed to a rise on racism from both sides imo.
One of the things that has caused tension between the races recently is the fact that racists are much more open about their views than they used to be. So we get racist fans of Milo attacking Leslie Jones. We get right wing blogs creating lies about people like Trayvon Martin. We get the President of the United States re-tweeting completely fabricated "black crime" statistics--and never correcting the record. And all of this is on the heels of the racist attacks against Obama: He's a Muslim. His birth certificate is a fraud. His college achievements are not valid because of Affirmative Action.

So, yeah, there's some backlash against these things. And I would agree that "non-white" spaces are probably counter-productive in the long run. But they are not the problem. The problem is the rampant racism as expressed by the right wing in this country. That's what needs to be stamped out. Until it is I can't be bothered to care much about what a few people are doing on college campuses.
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One of the things that has caused tension between the races recently is the fact that racists are much more open about their views than they used to be.
Lolol. Hahahahahahahaha. And people wonder why everyone despises you guys so much.

Lies and anger and resentment is the only thing you people peddle. You are making the world a worse place. Just awful, awful people.

Thank God you people lost.
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:30 PM   #329
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... "Chill out" rooms I have nothing against, segregated "chill out" rooms I do however...
I thought you were out. Anyways, OK, you kinda clarified half of my confusions. To verify: you don't have any problems with say gender identification, religion, ability, parental status, language, health, country of origin, or major specific chill out rooms. You only have a problem with race specific chill out rooms. Is this correct?

You also didn't clarify if there is anything else, other than these race specific chill out rooms, that you would describe as segregation or similarly problematic. Care to elaborate?

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... People will always get sacked doesnt mean we have to ignore a worrying trend or brush it under the carpet.
Well here's the problem here.

People who aren't on company premises, and who don't work for the company, can say whatever they like. Sure, the people who called for J.Fogel's, or J.Paterno's, jobs might have been despicable SJWers, and maybe you feel they're annoying and mean spirited... but bottom line they were simply and legally exercising their 1stA rights to free speech. I don't think this helps peddle your conspiracy theory at all. What are you suggesting... peoples rights to free speech should be censored as an expediency in order to keep these shadowy SJWers at bay?

Wouldn't it be better to counter these SJWers with better arguments... instead of trying to shut them up ??
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:09 PM   #330
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I thought you were out. Anyways, OK, you kinda clarified half of my confusions. To verify: you don't have any problems with say gender identification, religion, ability, parental status, language, health, country of origin, or major specific chill out rooms. You only have a problem with race specific chill out rooms. Is this correct?

You also didn't clarify if there is anything else, other than these race specific chill out rooms, that you would describe as segregation or similarly problematic. Care to elaborate?



Well here's the problem here.

People who aren't on company premises, and who don't work for the company, can say whatever they like. Sure, the people who called for J.Fogel's, or J.Paterno's, jobs might have been despicable SJWers, and maybe you feel they're annoying and mean spirited... but bottom line they were simply and legally exercising their 1stA rights to free speech. I don't think this helps peddle your conspiracy theory at all. What are you suggesting... peoples rights to free speech should be censored as an expediency in order to keep these shadowy SJWers at bay?

Wouldn't it be better to counter these SJWers with better arguments... instead of trying to shut them up ??
Just because they have the legal right to fire someone doenst make it morally right.

Im not trying to silence you im just going to ignore you. I read that second last paragraph 4 times and im still not sure 100% what your mean.

There are other posters who have opposing opinions that are putting together clear and coherent arguments and I can see logically where they are coming from and making me think more about my own positions. That is a productive use of my time.


I had to explain to you the difference between a marathon annoying you once a year and people having their human rights infringed on due to the color of their skin or their political views. That is not a productive use of my time sorry.
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:38 PM   #331
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...There are other posters who have opposing opinions that are putting together clear and coherent arguments and I can see logically where they are coming from and making me think more about my own positions...
LOL no.

You are peddling a conspiracy theory. I'm pointing out some of the gaping holes in your theory. You wanna assume your theory is already true, and then move on to tsk, tsk-ing about the evil SJWers. When I try to bring you back on topic, you say I'm on the other side (lol what other side) y/o you'll say you can't understand the simplest thing I'm saying. Your frustration is that I'm not circlejerking with you.

It's the same with truthers (or whatev). They're peddling conspiracy theories. You can try to point out the gaping holes in their theories. But what they'll always do is assume their theories are already true, and then move on to tsk, tsking about the details of Bldg #7 (or whatev). When you try to bring you back on topic, they'll say you're on the other side y/o they can't understand the simplest thing you've said.

Then they'll run away.

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Nailed it.
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Old 02-08-2017, 05:46 PM   #332
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LOL no.

You are peddling a conspiracy theory. I'm pointing out some of the gaping holes in your theory. You wanna assume your theory is already true, and then move on to tsk, tsk-ing about the evil SJWers. When I try to bring you back on topic, you say I'm on the other side (lol what other side) y/o you'll say you can't understand the simplest thing I'm saying. Your frustration is that I'm not circlejerking with you.

It's the same with truthers (or whatev). They're peddling conspiracy theories. You can try to point out the gaping holes in their theories. But what they'll always do is assume their theories are already true, and then move on to tsk, tsking about the details of Bldg #7 (or whatev). When you try to bring you back on topic, they'll say you're on the other side y/o they can't understand the simplest thing you've said.

Then they'll run away.



Nailed it.
No there are two other posters who disagree with me who are not circle jerking me. They are directly disagreeing with me and im looking forward to engaging in a debate with them .

You have poked zero holes in zero theories, you have rambled on incoherently using terrible analogies and bad logic.
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:41 PM   #333
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How many posts are we going to have to listen to Shame Trolly contemplate if SJWs exist? There is no conspiracy, you idiot. This isn't something we are making up.
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Old 02-08-2017, 06:55 PM   #334
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... There is no conspiracy... This isn't something we are making up.
You're correct when you say you aren't making it up. Conspiracy theories are learned and regurgitated. The fact that the OSJers prate on about 'shout down' on an interwebs forum, where that's not even logically possible, is proof enough that this is all trained response.

Anyways, it's still a Theory of Conspiracy, even if it isn't a false conspiracy theory. Remember... it's all a false flag to bring back segregation. False flag operations necessarily entail a conspiracy.

The pebble is in the hand, you fool. To grab it, all youz guyz gotta do is make a coherent and consistent and non-conspiritartical explanation for this alleged SJWer thingee... and then I'll stop pointing out that the spew so far has been the most loltastically brain dead conspirtardical gibberish.

Oh yeah... you're a stupid, stupid, stupid person. F*** you !!!1!
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You're correct when you say you aren't making it up. Conspiracy theories are learned and regurgitated. The fact that the OSJers prate on about 'shout down' on an interwebs forum, where that's not even logically possible, is proof enough that this is all trained response.

Anyways, it's still a Theory of Conspiracy, even if it isn't a false conspiracy theory. Remember... it's all a false flag to bring back segregation. False flag operations necessarily entail a conspiracy.

The pebble is in the hand, you fool. To grab it, all youz guyz gotta do is make a coherent and consistent and non-conspiritartical explanation for this alleged SJWer thingee... and then I'll stop pointing out that the spew so far has been the most loltastically brain dead conspirtardical gibberish.

Oh yeah... you're a stupid, stupid, stupid person. F*** you !!!1!
I never claimed this.

Were not claiming that there is a kabal of SJWs that are lurking in the shadows rubbing their hands together plotting ways to take over the world and indoctrinate people.

And if you want to say its not a movement fine. At the very least its a worrying trend, it doesn't really matter the label you give its seeping more and more into our society and imo its having a detrimental effect.
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How many posts are we going to have to listen to Shame Trolly contemplate if SJWs exist? There is no conspiracy, you idiot. This isn't something we are making up.
At this point he is being willfully obtuse and is trying to slide the thread to detract from the issues.
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It's been going on for like 20 posts now. Jesus.
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... Were not claiming that there is a kabal of SJWs that are lurking in the shadows rubbing their hands together plotting ways to take over the world and indoctrinate people...
So, we can dismiss our previous concerns regarding SJW indoctrination in academia. And we can dismiss the notion that the MSM, including CNN, Time Warner, Buzzfeed, are pushing SJW propaganda.

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Of course it's not a movement. A movement means organization towards a common goal. So, now that we're on the same page here, we can also discard the loltastical conpiritardical false flag theory that these SJWers are an organized force, or have any common goals... including reintroducing segregation.

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OK VG. Trends aren't conspiritardical. We can have a coherent and productive conversation regarding trends. Now, IDK because IDC... but I'll grant you that race specific chill-out rooms are trending up on college campuses.

Which brings me back to a Q I've asked before. Are there any other kinds of specific chill-out rooms (gender, veterans, language, sports, etc) you have problems with or is it only race specific chill out rooms?

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This is not my experience of people discussing the concept of white privilege. Personally I have seen numerous attempts to explain the concept, how it is possible for a white person to be both disadvantaged economically and recipients of white privilege with those that oppose them attempting to reduce the arguments to white privilege being somehow equivalent to economic success then denouncing the concept because not all white people are economically successful.
But imo wealth is the biggest privilege anyone of any race will have. Compare a black wealthy collage student to a white person in a trailer park. Who do you think will live longer? Has a bigger chance of being a drug addict ? Is more likely to commit suicide? Is more likely to have mental health problems? These micro aggression's that these people consider racist pale into comparison to a person of any race born into poverty.


And how much racism do you think a collage student is going to experience in amoungst a mostly middle class populous with some of the most liberal people in the country? So progressive they have actually become regressive but iv covered that already.

I have sympathy for their cause of course but think that if they weren't so militant about privilege their message would be better received and less divisive.

Coming from a city where in some areas the life expectancy is less 60 in some areas it makes me frustrated to see these middle class kids parade around these opulent looking campuses like the whole world is against them.
When in fact the vast vast majority of people are in fact not racist.
Iv seen too many cases now of the concept of privilege being used in a dangerous and irresponsible manner that has resulted in bitterness and anger. I dont believe it is helpful.

I have seen a few liberal black people getting really angry at the hypocrisy of BLM and at also being patronized by super liberal whites.

I do think that that history has a major part to play in why blacks are getting a raw deal today in the US.


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Now clearly there are bad arguments made by supporters of both sides in many discussions but you seem only to be focused on the worst of the arguments of those you disagree with and I think you do better to tackle the best.
What sides do you mean? SJWS anti SJWs? Anti SJWs could be anyone from me, a liberal Bernie Sanders supporter to an alt right race separatist. The thing is these bad arguments are coming from BLM leaders and collage kids , people that should know better and as such I hold them to a higher standard than I would some racist member of the alt right. They have almost stooped down to their level.

The bad arguments on the SJW side are from the "mainstream " and from some of their leaders. so to speak. They have a good degree of power and influence whereas the bad arguments im seeing on the anti SJW side are from alt right goons who are very much still a fringe group. They dont have as much power.

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Ftr I didn't watch the video I did read the article and I don't know the reasons for the decision so won't take a strong view on the rightness of it. What I will say is from the comfort of my armchair the organisers shouldn't really give a **** what I think especially given that I'm not familiar enough with the reasons to evaluate them.
I mean when I watch that video I dont see an articulate thoughtful person. I see a bitter hate filled unintelligent one who is exerting power just because she can. I dont trust people like this to lead a civil rights movement I think they will just drum up more hate and division. And this is not a one off .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ls-murder.html

Another hate filled rant not just from some lunatic from the fringes , but one of their leaders. They are hate filled unintelligent people not responsible enough to lead a civil rights movement which is why we have seen an increase in racial tensions. BLM really needs to police their organization better if they ever want to succeed and to be taken seriously they will be destined to fail with people like this at the helm. Scary thing is that she a teacher, in charge of not just leading BLM but also teaching the next generation of kids.
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One of the things that has caused tension between the races recently is the fact that racists are much more open about their views than they used to be. So we get racist fans of Milo attacking Leslie Jones. We get right wing blogs creating lies about people like Trayvon Martin. We get the President of the United States re-tweeting completely fabricated "black crime" statistics--and never correcting the record. And all of this is on the heels of the racist attacks against Obama: He's a Muslim. His birth certificate is a fraud. His college achievements are not valid because of Affirmative Action.
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So, yeah, there's some backlash against these things. And I would agree that "non-white" spaces are probably counter-productive in the long run. But they are not the problem. The problem is the rampant racism as expressed by the right wing in this country. That's what needs to be stamped out. Until it is I can't be bothered to care much about what a few people are doing on college campuses.

They are part of the problem though and I would expect alot better from "liberal" collage students though. I suppose thats one of the things that pisses me off about them is that they claim to be liberal whilst at the same time being very regressive and authoritarian.

I know people like the Alt right are probably worse but in some ways the two movements are pretty similar and they dont have the same degree of power. If the alt right were in charge and running universitys I would be just as worried if not more. The online trolls are sad but I dont hold them to a high standard.

I dont think Milo or the majority of his fans are racist and he has said some things in regards to race that I massively agree with. There is something wrong when someone that far right is making more sense than "liberal" collage students. Funnily enough these students add to Milos popularity when they stop him speaking and use identity politics to beat everyone over the head with.

The Trumps obsession with Obamas place of birth and religion was disturbing and weird not going to defend him there. I will defend alot of Trumps supporters though again I believe vast majority of them are not racist.
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Dang, it's like opposition to excellent civil rights.

Like, did you think through opposition to social justice before opposing it?
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Dang, it's like opposition to excellent civil rights.

Like, did you think through opposition to social justice before opposing it?
Of course I did.
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I already used my HOL UP for today, but wait.

Is wil saying he DOESN'T have a tiny yellow peen or, like, what's going on here?
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MissileDizzle is so much sharper than you dudes that if aliens came down they'd think you all were separate species.
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superslug,

I think you're mistaking the performance art aspect of protests with the actual practical goals of the organizations and movements behind said protests.
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Of course I did.
Is the opposition to social justice you thought about manufactured or is it actual relevant to justice done socially as the phrase implies?

Do you want to have your own individual justice which is whatever you say it is? Why would anyone nearby or afar simply trust you to have that just nilly willy?
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They are part of the problem though and I would expect alot better from "liberal" collage students though. I suppose thats one of the things that pisses me off about them is that they claim to be liberal whilst at the same time being very regressive and authoritarian.

I know people like the Alt right are probably worse but in some ways the two movements are pretty similar and they dont have the same degree of power. If the alt right were in charge and running universitys I would be just as worried if not more. The online trolls are sad but I dont hold them to a high standard.

I dont think Milo or the majority of his fans are racist and he has said some things in regards to race that I massively agree with. There is something wrong when someone that far right is making more sense than "liberal" collage students. Funnily enough these students add to Milos popularity when they stop him speaking and use identity politics to beat everyone over the head with.

The Trumps obsession with Obamas place of birth and religion was disturbing and weird not going to defend him there. I will defend alot of Trumps supporters though again I believe vast majority of them are not racist.
Yet again, this is nearly all false.
You can go to 4chan, 7chan, reddit, stormfront. You will see the places that have the highest correlation with Milo/Spencer/alt right fandom are like 99% white males. Wonder why?

"SJW" are not running any University. If you think most any University head or Dean is a "SJW," I question you having ever lived or been on campus.

The head of the biggest source of alt right views is on the NSC. The joint chief is not. He is writing executive orders the President of the United States doesn't even read before signing. Steve Bannon might be the most powerful man in the world, yet you think "SJW" have equal power to him. This is just incredibly wrong.
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Is the opposition to social justice you thought about manufactured or is it actual relevant to justice done socially as the phrase implies?

Do you want to have your own individual justice which is whatever you say it is? Why would anyone nearby or afar simply trust you to have that just nilly willy?
I have no idea what you are asking me.
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I have no idea what you are asking me.
That's okay. NP.

look, I know ideas why anyone would oppose social justice and honestly it looks like you oppose something else that is being called "social justice".
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I've snipped this post because there's a lot to address and it will be the weekend before I have the time but I will state that race affects an ability to acquire wealth.

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But imo wealth is the biggest privilege anyone of any race will have.
If I can demonstrate that housing health and education outcomes are different for people of colour and white people even when accounting for income would you concede that wealth isn't always the most important factor. For the record I am confident that I can demonstrate this but it's going to take some time and before I spend it I'd like to know that the goal posts aren't likely to change.
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