Which is why the TD is so highly respected by the Sacramento poker community and most of the players haven't stepped foot in Royale in a long time. It just so happens that said TD happens to post on 2+2 and claims he isn't Lucifer

Appreciate you sharing. Sounds like this TD did all he could
The only thing I liked about Royale in the 2 times I've been was the bar. They poured massive shots which I assume was because they lack business and wanted better tips.

And that is the power of the internet....

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Ok a couple of things about Stones so far.

Most of the dealers there are really good. Sera and Bear come to mind but there are many others that are top of the line.

However, there are also some bad apples in the bunch. I don't know any names and wouldn't say them if I did, but I've noticed a few that are consistently making simple mistakes. Not paying attention during hands, skipping over players' action during hands. Last night in 1 game we had a pot get awarded to a player that showed only 1 card when another player showed both cards, a pot get awarded to a player that wasn't even in the pot, a dealer that had to be nearly grabbed to get his attention that a hand had checked around on the turn, things like that. Stuff like that slows games down and pisses players off. Hopefully this is just part of growing pains and won't be an issue long term. I'm not too worried about it.

Also, the floors have been great for the most part. In particular, Garret has done a great job, as has Justin in the short times I've seen him. There are others that I don't know yet that have also done very well.

However there has also been another side. Some people seem a bit overwhelmed by the situation. In particular there have been issues with table changes recently. It seems that there has been confusion about this issue that boiled over a bit recently.

An easy fix for the table change issue would be to institute a must-move policy. Many times there have been 2 or more games of the same stake running, and often there will be 2 or more tables with open seats or even short- handed. Must-move keeps games full and keeps players happy.

Last thing I have noticed is there seems to be a tendency to let lists grow large without calling down names. Many times recently I have seen a list with 10+ names get called down for an open seat, and none of the players are actually there. When there's 10 or more names on a list, the list should start getting called down to keep them clean and start games as soon as possible.

All of these are pretty minor overall but should help the room out a bit. I'm absolutely loving the place so far and so is everyone I have talked to. Stones is already close to, if not THE best poker room in Sacramento.

There are always going to be dealer mistakes. Stones is no exception.

One dealer, whom some players nicknamed "Smurfette" from her days at the Lucky Derby (where dealers wore blue), allowed a player to take back his T3000 turn bet (while the dealer was not looking) after he called my T4400 all-in on the river on Sunday morning. I didn't discover that my pot was short T3000 chips until after another hand was dealt.

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Stones announced on Tuesday evening at 6:30pm that the Friday 6:30pm tourney at Stones has been cancelled permanently, effective immediately.

Friday nights are for cash games. Stones should have no trouble filling all 15 tables with cash game action, mostly 1-2 and 1-3 NL, with 2 or 3 2-5 NL games and perhaps 1 Limit 4-8 Omaha game.

Eh, sure there have been some mistakes; overall though they have gathered some of my favorite dealers from all of the rooms into one spot.

The massive list without calling names is a issue fer sure..i asked floor of he was strating a second 25 game because there were 15 people on the list he told me that he dosent want to kill a 12 game lol.when i did get in the main game we were playing 7handed with 10 plus people on the board for over ten minuts ..this is an issue with that floor man fer sure not sure if its always a issue

This^^^

Lots of good feedback itt about Stones, and some lol moments about the "legend of Louie, over, but never forgotten"

As to my opinion on tournament structure, the worst structure the better, it's good to do a deep structure on occasion but keep your dailies to manageable time frames. You don't want to lose the beginner players because they can't beat a deep structure. You want Joe Average to win the tournament every once in a while, because Tom Tightass didn't have enough time to wait for aces. They were still playing at 12:30 last night! The rec players have work in the morning. Just my opinion, not bashing, it's a thin line between giving beginners a shot and pleasing the local tourny grinders, and I think J & K do a good job when the little one is not calling me fat boi.

****in Tommy Tightass

And I didn't mean to bash. Most of the dealers have been very good and there were many that I don't know yet that I didn't name as good. Just hoping to stamp out the negative stuff early on so it doesn't turn into a situation like a certain casino not to be named that had many problems with basic things for many many years.

I do not suspect that to be the case at Stones. Great poker room so far. If only there were some way to get a regular 5/10 going there! Like if there was a guy that specialized in getting players together regularly!!!!

I'm all for a 5/10 but as long as the 100 short stacking mofos don't over run the 2/5 I don't think Stones really need it.

There are definitely plenty of kinks to be worked out, Cejeh correctly pointed out several but it's a fantastic room

Yeah I don't think that will be the case here because they seem to be much more receptive and responsive to feedback than TV ever was.

I hope they change their minimum buy-in requirements for the games.
I think 2/5 should be $200 instead of $100. If you do get a 5/10 make it $500 min. instead of the $200 I suspect you would make it.

5/10 is 500-5k

Ditto, Stones has it going on!

Perhaps an option to round up players would be to offer an advanced interest list with a specific day/time of the week. Both the Peppermill (5/10 NL and other) and Atlantis (omaha) do this. One can call/text to get their name on the list. If you go to their actual website, you can see what it looks like.

Favorite post of the day! "The worst structure the better" lol!!!

Just make it clear or post structures so I know which events will have bad structures and which will have good ones. Keep the bad ones short so average joe wins once in a while and it also gets everyone back into a cash game as soon as possible. No need to have the tournament running all night.


No but seriously a large guarantee once a month will go a long way in creating a consistent following and allow people to schedule it just like cap and tv have going except cap doesn't really have a guarantee and capacity there is tough.

Average Joe can win the $55 daily 3x a week. I would like to win the $250-325 once a month super stack with 40 minute blinds that don't skip any levels.

np916 realized that er7eman was calling HIM Tommy Tightass.

Guys, I'm tired of two tables sitting around my house doing nothing. I want to do one of the following:

a) have a dealer's choice game
b) have a HU tournament
c) have a 2-table SNG

I don't think I can do a poll mid-thread, so I just need some feedback below.

d) sell tables, profit$$$

I'll start taking offers.

Does anyone know how long the daily $55 tourney at Stones lasts as for hours with the 20 min structure? 2 or 3 PM?

3 to 4 pm if played down

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Justin,

I think the antes for the $225 event tend to be on the small side. If you look at a WSOP, Venetian, or any other major tournament structure sheet, antes are almost always between 1/3 and 1/5 of the small blind.

The Stones antes run even smaller. For example, at 200/400, the ante is only 25, which is 1/8 of the small blind. Usually it's 50 at this level. At the 300/600 level, the ante is 50 and it's normally 75.

Daniel Negreanu wrote a blog entry about why smaller antes are bad a few years ago. It's an interesting read. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...&id=1289951723

Andy

While I definitely agree with your assessment and this is not the first time I have heard these thoughts about this particular structure, I believe that the playability of the structure is one of the better ones I've experienced. This is the same structure that the Aria runs daily and while it's not perfect, I do think that it fits the Stones quite well.

With that being said, be cautious of what pro players say regarding how tournaments are structured as they will often try to rally for changes that best fit their particular skill set.



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Actually

e) Rent them to Stones so they can have 2 more tables for their tournaments.
On the sly of course.

Can someone confirm these antes? They can't be real. Why aren't they universal???